New poor Guardian article "ME and the perils of internet activism" 28th July 2019

This is a good summary of the extent of Sharpe and Wessely's bullying:



This is being "silenced" by people who literally cannot use any other medium than the Internet to protest mistreatment, often too sick to even feed themselves. Of course the advocacy is mostly on the Internet, for the same reason paraplegics don't protest on the top floor of a building with no elevators. Those are still our words and they amount to sick people begging for help.

This stuff is not normal. It's abusive to the point of obsession and the purpose is entirely spiteful and intimidating.
 
The idea that I was "instrumental" in persuading Cochrane to do anything is ridiculous. I had a meeting with David Tovey in which I pressed the case. Period.
The lack of mention of Robert's work infuriates me. Same with Alem. Complete erasure of people who did real good for a serious cause. And no mention of the publicly available, and easy to find, discussions that make it clear the issues with Cochrane are taken seriously on substance and have in no way been refuted.

Somehow managing to make taking a "highly detailed approach to medical papers, closely reading them to uncover any inconsistencies or potential flaws" as a bad thing is really something.
 
My brief comments on some of what is said in the article:

"The trial became the subject of controversy for several reasons. One is that it looked at ways of dealing with the symptoms of an illness rather than exploring a cure for a disease. Another is that it suggested there might be a psychological component to the manner in which sufferers experience the illness.”
When researchers publish clinical trials on other behavioral interventions for ME/CFS such as the envelope theory or pacing, there is little controversy. When papers describe the negative effects stigma and misunderstanding have on ME/CFS patients there are no claims that studying this psychological component is inappropriate. When the vice-president of the IACFS/ME Lily Chu, wrote an article about depression and suicide in ME/CFS and the lack of access to appropriate mental health care, she was lauded for raising the issue. Some of the most vocal critics of the PACE trial such as James Coyne, Leonard Jason, Ellen Goudsmit and Carolyn Wilshire have been academic psychologists. It seems rather unlikely that they criticize the trial for "suggested there might be a psychological component to the manner in which sufferers experience the illness.”"

"finally, question marks were raised over the trial’s methodology."
The article doesn’t mention that the authors deviated from their protocol in reporting the outcomes and results of the PACE trial. They failed to specify these changes in full and did not provide a sensitivity analysis to see how the changes affected the results. When this was pointed out, the PACE-authors refused to provide answers or information about the effect of these changes. PLOS One had to publish an expression of concern for one of the PACE-publications because the authors’ refused to share their data is as recommended by journal policy. Eventually part of PACE trial data became available, through a freedom of information request and first tier tribunal decision. A reanalysis according to the method specified in the published protocol, found that the PACE authors had inflated recovery and improvements rate threefold. There was no longer a significant difference between the intervention groups. An open letter signed by more than 100 prominent ME/CFS experts including researchers clinicians and MP's has called the Lancet to "commission an independent re-analysis of the individual-level trial data, with appropriate sensitivity analyses."

"David Tuller, a former HIV campaigner, who has become something of a hero to the ME/CFS community in the UK."
David Tuller is an experienced journalist and Senior Fellow in Public Health in Journalism at the Center of Global Public Health, School of Public Health, University of California, Berkeley, California. Tuller reported on the findings of the PACE-trial in 2011 in an article for the New York Times, titled “Psychotherapy Eases Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Study Finds.” It’s only when confronted with critical comments that he began to delve deeper into the methodological issues and became a vocal critic of the PACE-trial.

"he was instrumental in persuading the respected science journal Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews to withdraw a paper that looked at eight randomised controlled studies of exercise therapy for ME/CFS."
Cochrane received a formal complaint about its review on graded exercise therapy by Robert Courtney in 2018. An internal audit at Cochrane indicated Courtney’s criticism to be well-founded. Therefore Cochrane has insisted on a revised version of the review which is currently ongoing. A detailed analysis of the review was published by Vink & Vink-Niese in 2018 in Health Psychology Open, doi: 10.1177/2055102918805187.

"Sharpe says that the Cochrane editor “wilted badly… under direct pressure” from activists. The editor has since retired, and Sharpe understands that his decision is to be reversed."
This claim has proven to be unfounded. Regarding the decision to potentially withdraw the review, former Editor in Chief David Tovey publically stated, “this not about patient pressure.” An internal email exchange between Cochrane and the Norwegian Institute of Public Health (which houses two of the authors of the review) indicates that concerns about the Cochrane review were raised by multiple experts. “When a collection of experienced and dispassionate colleagues are all making, in effect, the same criticisms”, Tovey wrote in an email, “it is hard to ignore this.” https://wordpress.com/block-editor/post/mecfsskeptic.wordpress.com/16

"He maintains that there was nothing untoward or biased about the trial. “We got a fairly clear answer, but it wasn’t an answer that people wanted to hear.”
The main researchers of the PACE have designed, studied and promoted graded exercise therapy (GET) and cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) in ME/CFS, before the start of the PACE trial. A document by the authors explaining the need for the PACE trial, wrote: “We ourselves completed three out of seven of the RCTs of CBT and GET. The therapies and measures to be used are essentially the same as used in these successful trials.” Michael Sharpe was the lead author of “the Oxford criteria” used to diagnose patients eligible for the trial. Another author, Trudie Chalder, was the lead author of one of the trial’s primary outcome measure tools – the Chalder Fatigue Scale. The hypothesis, as specified in the trial protocol, was that GET and CBT would outperform the medical care offered in the control groups. During the study, the PACE team published a newsletter for participants that included information about the new NICE guidelines recommending GET and CBT and glowing testimonials from earlier trial subjects about how much the “therapy” and “treatment” helped them.

"He believes ME/CFS activists are absolutely set against “any implication whatsoever that there could be any aspect to their illness which isn’t rooted in biological disease. Any little hint that it couldn’t be, becomes [the] equivalent of saying it’s not real, it’s imagined, you’ve made it up.”
I hope that ME/CFS advocates are entitled to a full reply to this accusation.

This is excellent ; please can you send it to the guardian editor and strongly suggest that they publish it?!
 
"Sharpe says that the Cochrane editor “wilted badly… under direct pressure” from activists. The editor has since retired, and Sharpe understands that his decision is to be reversed."

That is the most worrying thing about the article and if its true its clear he is inside some kind of inner circle that "gets informed of things first", in other words they manoeuvre the narrative their way and make it happen. They don't wait for decisions to change and then hear about them, they tell people they will be changed.

That's how they are always in the know first.
 
That is the most worrying thing about the article and if its true its clear he is inside some kind of inner circle that "gets informed of things first", in other words they manoeuvre the narrative their way and make it happen. They don't wait for decisions to change and then hear about them, they tell people they will be changed.

Yes. I think this must be the case. Sharpe would not put out this stuff if he was not worried but, like the Health Research Authority whitewash, this looks like a response to what he sees as another little victory - sorting out Cochrane.

It is this sort of shenanigans that I will be raising with the NICE committee.
 
Yes. I think this must be the case. Sharpe would not put out this stuff if he was not worried but, like the Health Research Authority whitewash, this looks like a response to what he sees as another little victory - sorting out Cochrane.

It is this sort of shenanigans that I will be raising with the NICE committee.

Cochrane has been their last line of defense for sometime so to see it challenged and even Tovey (who would normally back them) being concerned will be worrying to them. What else have they left - the continued support of the Lancet?
 
It must be unusual for a new editor to take the first opportunity to lose all credibility. You would think they would like to break themselves in slowly.

But they may see it as keeping in with the establishment in the UK and that as important to their credibility. I often think that those pushing for 'better evidence are really anti industry rather than pro better methodology.
 
The Guardian also has a long history of trivialising ME and mocking ME patients.
I really don't understand why this is the case. As a generally left leaning publication it champions the underdog. We are about as underdog as you can get: poor, on benefits and with no treatment, and having to convince everyone from Doctors to relatives, and loved ones, how sick we are, time and time again.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
I really don't understand why this is the case. As a generally left leaning publication it champions the underdog. We are about as underdog as you can get: poor, on benefits and with no treatment, and having to convince everyone from Doctors to relatives, and loved ones, how sick we are, time and time again.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

It is also a paper that is widely read at universities so perhaps stories attacking poor quality academic research don't go well with the readership.
 
That address bounced it seems to be observer.readers@observer.co.uk

I suspect that complaints will be viewed through a filter of bigotry at the Guardian, so would encourage anyone complaining to be very careful and cautious with the language used.

They have an editorial code here, and that seems to explain what people are able to complain about:

https://www.theguardian.com/info/2015/aug/05/the-guardians-editorial-code

edit: Sorry - just saw this was already linked to.
 
I really don't understand why this is the case. As a generally left leaning publication it champions the underdog. We are about as underdog as you can get: poor, on benefits and with no treatment, and having to convince everyone from Doctors to relatives, and loved ones, how sick we are, time and time again.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:


The left love philosophy, psychiatry and psychology so they are prone to BS on such things. The left still have a hierarchy even if they are "of the people" workers at the bottom and controllers at the top who know whats best for the people in the utopia of a leftist world. Doesn't history show that ?

Doesn't the extreme left throughout the whole of history have just a bad a record as the extreme right?

When you have private run newspapers, which must happen in a democracy, not overseen by the interests of the public you have just as many problems on the left as you do on the right.

When you are high up one side of any partisan group you go to YOUR propaganda outlets to put out your truth via yours and your mates collective newsletter.

The Guardian just as any media outlet doesn't have any legal obligation to be accurate in their reporting.

Its really as simple as that.
 
I have bias and a potential COI - I am a person who'd quite like to get better, apparently this puts me in conflict with various people who, by their positions, words, and actions, are actively working to prevent me from doing so.

I would imagine most other pwME have the same bias/COI for themselves, and as most 'patient lobby groups', apart from AfME obviously, share the same aim they represent members with the same bias/COI.

I'd be interested in knowing who, or where, it is necessary to declare this to make CG happier.

Coz I'll happily do so.

If it doesn't involve payment, as I have no 'spare' money, due to the direct actions and advice of those she supports, and as long as it doesn't involve traipsing anywhere, as contrary to her, and the people she supports, stated beliefs, I have a condition/disease that prevents that on pain of symptom exacerbation.

ETA - post written as a reply to a post above which now seems to have disappeared where a tweet was quoted from CG saying we should declare our CoI's if we are calling for the BPS mob and supporters to declare theirs.

This may be the tweet - if I can figure out how to insert it.

 
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It is also a paper that is widely read at universities so perhaps stories attacking poor quality academic research don't go well with the readership.

I think it's this combined with what @Esther12 first said, it's a very effective narrative. Internet activists disrupting the efforts of humble, well-meaning psychologists.

What a wild, entertaining article.
But what really made the difference, he says, is that “the Americans got involved”.

I burst out laughing. How can anyone take this crap seriously? You can just tell the guy didn't even bother reading the PACE research or Tuller's blogs because he doesn't bother to address specific criticisms or counter-arguments.
 
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The Guardian have a long history of censoring comments made on ME articles that are critical of PACE.
Sometimes by just not allowing comments at all. Like with this story, for example.

and also the Oxford-Brookes report just came out.
Oxford-Brookes report ?

I actually think this article can be ignored completely since it changes nothing other than to emphasise how worried Dr Sharpe must be. Nobody of importance is going to take it seriously.
As objectionable and angering as Sharpe's comments are, I think he is doing more damage to himself than us.

The lack of mention of Robert's work infuriates me. Same with Alem. Complete erasure of people who did real good for a serious cause.
This. :mad::mad::mad:

Somehow managing to make taking a "highly detailed approach to medical papers, closely reading them to uncover any inconsistencies or potential flaws" as a bad thing is really something.
When due diligence rides into town, the mediocre get nervous.

Sharpe counters that nowhere in his writing has he ever argued that there is no underlying disease, only that, given the disease has not been identified, the most effective current treatment has to be directed at the symptoms. “I have always said that, like all chronic illnesses, there is a percentage of the variance that’s caused by how people cope with it, how they think about it, how they behave.
That is a bald-faced lie, Prof Sharpe. Your model of ME/CFS clearly defines it as a pathological post-precipitating/onset psycho-behavioural response by the patient. Not a component of the overall disorder, but the whole thing.

And it always has.

It must be unusual for a new editor to take the first opportunity to lose all credibility. You would think they would like to break themselves in slowly.
:D
 
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