Yes this one is interesting as you see the blonde woman see the gentleman protester enter on her left then turn to her right to talk behind over her shoulder and it looks like she speaks to the woman in blue who then stood up and pushed the female protester forcing her to walk backwards such a long way.
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Yes this one is interesting as you see the blonde woman see the gentleman protester enter on her left then turn to her right to talk behind over her shoulder and it looks like she speaks to the woman in blue who then stood up and pushed the female protester forcing her to walk backwards such a long way.
ukxmrv
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I don't know what the line would be for a charge of assault in France. Most of the stuff online is about the removal of protesters by the police. It talks about using 'reasonable force'.
Don't know who the woman with the brown hair is but as she was seated my guess is that she isn't a paid employee of the venue or anyone with any authority to remove trespassers.
She may be an ordinary attendee who decided to leave her seat and push the protester repeatly.
She doesn't appear to be in any immediate danger which would justify putting hands on another person. If they felt in danger the appropriate thing in my opinion would be to leave and call Security. Not sit there or go up to harrange them or start pushing them around.
However, i wasn't there and have no idea of what really happened. I also don't know what they were feeling.
Don't know who the woman with the brown hair is but as she was seated my guess is that she isn't a paid employee of the venue or anyone with any authority to remove trespassers.
She may be an ordinary attendee who decided to leave her seat and push the protester repeatly.
She doesn't appear to be in any immediate danger which would justify putting hands on another person. If they felt in danger the appropriate thing in my opinion would be to leave and call Security. Not sit there or go up to harrange them or start pushing them around.
However, i wasn't there and have no idea of what really happened. I also don't know what they were feeling.
Utsikt
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Bjørn Lau is a psychologist and professor with a focus on organisational psychology. I don’t think he’s been involved in ME/CFS.
Utsikt
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The trial is listed as number nine under «Deliverables»:
For some reason Liira was in charge of the project. Part of the objective was this:
So it seems like she snuck in her own pet treatment (AIR, aka Gupta) into a programme that otherwise was entirely biomedical. There are no other «interventional» studies in this project.
According to the preliminary results, AIR didn’t work.
Liira is part of the OCFN.
Unaccountable power breaks minds. They are so detached from the consequences of what they do that they can't even imagine having to bear responsibility for it. Their models are delusional, and so is their perception of their outcomes.
I'm finding it quite fascinating to watch and be able to rewind to dissect. If anyone can separate the sound track it would be interesting to hear what is being said by the woman in blue to the female patient she is pushing and what language it is etc. as from watching I've realised I think it is her doing the shouting predmoninantly rather than the patient, or at least as well as them?.
Certainly those 2 women 'guests' (?) engaged in behaviour that I don't think could reflect well on anyone - the woman in blue pushing the female in the white t-shirt whilst she is being told they are ill (and looking at the video it seems that Garner was sitting with her and got up with her and followed her as she moved that patient - though not doing the pushing - he follows to that side of the room), and the white-shirted woman who slams her hands together and tries to grab the male patient very forcefully and was only lucky that her grip slipped whilst shouting what sounds like 'out'
Both appear to come deliberately into the situation from a position where they weren't being affected (the white-shirted woman who stormed in was clearly sat nearer the back next to the grey-haired gent with the more petrol blue blazer who also formed the circle round the stage, and both had been sat just to the left of where the person with camera was at the start) one after having more than enough time to have assessed it was safe enough for her to just use tanrtuming noisy hands to try and intimidate and tell someone to 'shoo' so the whole scared idea is pretty blown by that. The shoo and hand-clapping is one thing but the grab for him was quite another level
And the woman speaker in dark red top seems to be looking most awkward when she is watching those individuals' behaviours, so they certainly didn't help her.
and neither appear to be 'rescuing' anyone from any bad situation, calming anything or looking rational handling. The targeting the woman patient in particular who was stood away from the stage literally as she arrived with force seems particularly strange as a focus if you were thinking even instinctively.
When you combine it with the male speaker keeping his arm yanking the male patient's arm almost the entire time and Sharpe laying a hand on his shoulder that whole group seemed surprisingly comfortable 'laying hands on' compared to most individuals I know who would be in such situations (or any situation really? not many people touch others these days at all in most contexts?)
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What is the person who doesn't speak french (ie not the patient) saying at the end of the video in English (but from the stilted nature it might be second language as it doesn't seem to be 'so the listener can understand' as the patient seems to be clearly quite fluent in understanding English from the way they speak earlier in the video) that sounds like
"I have been goodlife(?). one week. I've been patient" I'm not sure about that first bit, but pretty sure the one week and I've been patient are very clear. So it is interesting to work out that first bit as I guess it was said to make sense of those 2 points. [I assume the 'I've been patient is in the adverb/adjective sense because it is the woman who was pushing the female patient out and was now telling said patient that despite pushing her out she sees herself and actions as having been patient and/or is saying that as a warning that she thinks she has had to wait too long]
ukxmrv
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The way I hear it now is different to my first attempt. Could be wrong of course.
Woman 1 (at a guess the woman in jeans and blazer with brown hair) 'i was a patient, i was in hospital for 1 week' in English.
Woman 2 (maybe the woman being pushed) 'i am going' in English then there is an escalation in the sounds of a scuffle or something?
Going back to the possibility of an assault being carried out and the argument over excessive force being used. If the woman says she is ' going ' in english to the other woman but the pushing? continues then it would appear to support that idea.
Woman 1 (at a guess the woman in jeans and blazer with brown hair) 'i was a patient, i was in hospital for 1 week' in English.
Woman 2 (maybe the woman being pushed) 'i am going' in English then there is an escalation in the sounds of a scuffle or something?
Going back to the possibility of an assault being carried out and the argument over excessive force being used. If the woman says she is ' going ' in english to the other woman but the pushing? continues then it would appear to support that idea.
Chandelier
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A important reddit post highlighting the lack of accuracy in the french wikipedia article on ME/CFS and how it compares to the german and english ones,
Yann04
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I had worked on improving that article 2-3 years ago and basically no one reverted or challenged by edits.
I renamed the article to ME/CFS from CFS, I removed Fukuda criteria as main and replaced with I believe CCC, I made PEM more prominent in line with modern consensus, I added a prognosis section that was realistic.
I’m not allowed to tell people to edit the article, that would be canvassing. But just want to note the sort of toxic everything is a battle environment didn’t really seem to apply here like it has at times with english wikipedia.