News from France

ukxmrv said:
I didn't realise that there were different videos of what happened and some taken from another angle. This one is from Youtube Winslow Sante Publique. Around 5-7 seconds in. The blond woman can be seen turning around in this one.

Let me know if you can't see the video or that part of the video

We get a much better picture of how the woman in the white Tshirt was being (wo)man handled as well.

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Yes this one is interesting as you see the blonde woman see the gentleman protester enter on her left then turn to her right to talk behind over her shoulder and it looks like she speaks to the woman in blue who then stood up and pushed the female protester forcing her to walk backwards such a long way.
 
I don't know what the line would be for a charge of assault in France. Most of the stuff online is about the removal of protesters by the police. It talks about using 'reasonable force'.

Don't know who the woman with the brown hair is but as she was seated my guess is that she isn't a paid employee of the venue or anyone with any authority to remove trespassers.

She may be an ordinary attendee who decided to leave her seat and push the protester repeatly.

She doesn't appear to be in any immediate danger which would justify putting hands on another person. If they felt in danger the appropriate thing in my opinion would be to leave and call Security. Not sit there or go up to harrange them or start pushing them around.

However, i wasn't there and have no idea of what really happened. I also don't know what they were feeling.
 
bobbler said:
The article translated includes the following:



How accurate is that claim of 85% 'biomedical investigations' and 'that was our first hypothesis' [I assume for the funding of NOK 85 million] ?

DO we have access to the application and what type of investigations and hypotheses there were to see what they count as that?


I mean they don't even test their 'theory-based theories' at all or nearly as properly before claiming 'we tried this, but nope decided it wasn't so here's our storytelling that we are claiming it is instead purely on the basis of claims we found a null 'for all biomedical'' so its sophism of course to distract - but pfffwwh
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The grant is here:

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Click at «Decision support for prediction and management of Long Covid Syndrome (LCS) Long Covid 101057553» under projects:

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The trial is listed as number nine under «Deliverables»:

For some reason Liira was in charge of the project. Part of the objective was this:
We will study the pathogenesis of LCS by conducting geographically diverse cohort and registry studies, by conducting mechanistic studies, by using novel high-throughput methods for biomarker analysis, and by conducting interventional and follow-up studies on LCS patients.
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So it seems like she snuck in her own pet treatment (AIR, aka Gupta) into a programme that otherwise was entirely biomedical. There are no other «interventional» studies in this project.

According to the preliminary results, AIR didn’t work.

Liira is part of the OCFN.
 
Sean said:
This is very serious. It is unacceptable that research is hindered by various groups.​
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They really don't do self-awareness, do they?
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Unaccountable power breaks minds. They are so detached from the consequences of what they do that they can't even imagine having to bear responsibility for it. Their models are delusional, and so is their perception of their outcomes.
 
ukxmrv said:
I don't know what the line would be for a charge of assault in France. Most of the stuff online is about the removal of protesters by the police. It talks about using 'reasonable force'.

Don't know who the woman with the brown hair is but as she was seated my guess is that she isn't a paid employee of the venue or anyone with any authority to remove trespassers.

She may be an ordinary attendee who decided to leave her seat and push the protester repeatly.

She doesn't appear to be in any immediate danger which would justify putting hands on another person. If they felt in danger the appropriate thing in my opinion would be to leave and call Security. Not sit there or go up to harrange them or start pushing them around.

However, i wasn't there and have no idea of what really happened. I also don't know what they were feeling.
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I'm finding it quite fascinating to watch and be able to rewind to dissect. If anyone can separate the sound track it would be interesting to hear what is being said by the woman in blue to the female patient she is pushing and what language it is etc. as from watching I've realised I think it is her doing the shouting predmoninantly rather than the patient, or at least as well as them?.

Certainly those 2 women 'guests' (?) engaged in behaviour that I don't think could reflect well on anyone - the woman in blue pushing the female in the white t-shirt whilst she is being told they are ill (and looking at the video it seems that Garner was sitting with her and got up with her and followed her as she moved that patient - though not doing the pushing - he follows to that side of the room), and the white-shirted woman who slams her hands together and tries to grab the male patient very forcefully and was only lucky that her grip slipped whilst shouting what sounds like 'out'

Both appear to come deliberately into the situation from a position where they weren't being affected (the white-shirted woman who stormed in was clearly sat nearer the back next to the grey-haired gent with the more petrol blue blazer who also formed the circle round the stage, and both had been sat just to the left of where the person with camera was at the start) one after having more than enough time to have assessed it was safe enough for her to just use tanrtuming noisy hands to try and intimidate and tell someone to 'shoo' so the whole scared idea is pretty blown by that. The shoo and hand-clapping is one thing but the grab for him was quite another level

And the woman speaker in dark red top seems to be looking most awkward when she is watching those individuals' behaviours, so they certainly didn't help her.

and neither appear to be 'rescuing' anyone from any bad situation, calming anything or looking rational handling. The targeting the woman patient in particular who was stood away from the stage literally as she arrived with force seems particularly strange as a focus if you were thinking even instinctively.

When you combine it with the male speaker keeping his arm yanking the male patient's arm almost the entire time and Sharpe laying a hand on his shoulder that whole group seemed surprisingly comfortable 'laying hands on' compared to most individuals I know who would be in such situations (or any situation really? not many people touch others these days at all in most contexts?)
 
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ukxmrv said:
There is another audio on Winslow Sante Publique X

It has just a still image but voices.



At a guess it may be between the two women. One is speaking French and the other English
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What is the person who doesn't speak french (ie not the patient) saying at the end of the video in English (but from the stilted nature it might be second language as it doesn't seem to be 'so the listener can understand' as the patient seems to be clearly quite fluent in understanding English from the way they speak earlier in the video) that sounds like

"I have been goodlife(?). one week. I've been patient" I'm not sure about that first bit, but pretty sure the one week and I've been patient are very clear. So it is interesting to work out that first bit as I guess it was said to make sense of those 2 points. [I assume the 'I've been patient is in the adverb/adjective sense because it is the woman who was pushing the female patient out and was now telling said patient that despite pushing her out she sees herself and actions as having been patient and/or is saying that as a warning that she thinks she has had to wait too long]
 
The way I hear it now is different to my first attempt. Could be wrong of course.

Woman 1 (at a guess the woman in jeans and blazer with brown hair) 'i was a patient, i was in hospital for 1 week' in English.

Woman 2 (maybe the woman being pushed) 'i am going' in English then there is an escalation in the sounds of a scuffle or something?

Going back to the possibility of an assault being carried out and the argument over excessive force being used. If the woman says she is ' going ' in english to the other woman but the pushing? continues then it would appear to support that idea.
 
A important reddit post highlighting the lack of accuracy in the french wikipedia article on ME/CFS and how it compares to the german and english ones,

An chance to rework the french Wikipedia article​

In 2024 and 2025 the English and German Wikipedia Articlea have seen leaps in its content accuracy. Which is amazing. In 2025 ME was the Featured Article of the day for the English wiki and on 12.05.2026 for the German Wiki.

The French article has seen nothing like that happen yet. If you or someone you know would be able, it would be great to get the French article reworked too.

Here are some deficiencies that are outlined in the talk page for the french article:

1. PEM (Post-Exertional Malaise) is not simply "fatigue," but a systemic collapse​

The French article severely downplays the core symptom of PEM.

The FR article says: "...consisting of an inability to tolerate physical and cognitive effort." The DE article states very clearly: "The main symptom is a severe deterioration of statefollowing exertion... Persists for hours, days, or weeks due to a disrupted physiological recovery response and can also permanently worsen the condition."
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The Argument: PEM is not normal exhaustion, but a measurable metabolic collapse. This can be objectively proven by a 2-day Cardiopulmonary Exercise Test (2-day CPET): on day 2, the performance capacity (VO2 max) of patients with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME) drops drastically. The body produces energy in a toxic manner, making normal recovery impossible. This is completely missing from the FR article.

2. Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) is not just controversial, it is dangerous​

The French article still lists CBT "coupled with physical exercise" in the treatment section and presents the criticism of this as a simple "controversy" surrounding the PACE trial.

The FR article says: "...cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) based on positive thinking exercises coupled with physical exercise..." The DE article explicitly warns: "Physical activation therapies, in which activity is to be continuously increased over a long period, can lead to a deterioration of the condition and are not recommended... Aerobic training is not tolerated."
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The Argument: Because of PEM, Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) is medically contraindicated. It causes organic damage to patients. The FR text must clearly state that activation therapies can lead to permanent deterioration.

3. "Pacing" as the gold standard of management is completely absent​

While the FR article lists unproven dietary supplements and gymnastics, the most internationally important management strategy is missing: pacing.

The DE article says: "Pacing is a form of individual energy management and an important strategy for coping with the disease. [...] The goal of pacing is to minimize the risk of PEM and prevent symptom worsening, or even a downward spiral in the course of the disease."
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The Argument: As long as there is no curative treatment, pacing (strict energy management within one's own limits) is the only way to avoid severe "crashes." This must be the very first thing mentioned in the "Treatments" section.

4. CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) does not cure​

The FR article gives CBT far too much therapeutic space. CBT can no more cure ME than it can cure cancer or multiple sclerosis.

The DE article clarifies: "When using psychotherapies for ME/CFS, it is essential to understand that it is an accompanying measure that has no direct influence on the symptoms of the underlying disease."
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The Argument: Psychotherapy helps with coping with a severe chronic illness. It is an accompanying option, not a primary treatment for ME.

5. The toxic controversy: Organic vs. Psychosomatic​

The FR article largely reads as if the disease is still an unsolved mystery between the psyche and the body. This ugly controversy has led to deadly/harmful recommendations in the past (like the PACE trial).

The DE article is up-to-date with current science on this: "ME/CFS is a chronic multisystem disease... Disturbances of the immune system, metabolism, nervous system, and blood circulation are specifically described."
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The Conclusion: The French article suffers from the historical legacy of the psychosomatic lobby. To align the article with the international consensus (WHO, CDC, Wiki-DE, Wiki-EN), it must be clearly stated that: PEM is the focal point, GET is harmful, and Pacing protects.
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Chandelier said:
A important reddit post highlighting the lack of accuracy in the french wikipedia article on ME/CFS and how it compares to the german and english ones
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I had worked on improving that article 2-3 years ago and basically no one reverted or challenged by edits.

I renamed the article to ME/CFS from CFS, I removed Fukuda criteria as main and replaced with I believe CCC, I made PEM more prominent in line with modern consensus, I added a prognosis section that was realistic.

I’m not allowed to tell people to edit the article, that would be canvassing. But just want to note the sort of toxic everything is a battle environment didn’t really seem to apply here like it has at times with english wikipedia.
 

'Better safe than sorry' – Jonas Vingegaard masks up at Tour de France in bid to avoid a repeat of Vuelta and Giro illnesses​

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On Sunday, he rocked up to the stage start in Tarragona wearing a face mask. The spectre of COVID-19 and mandatory masking may be long behind us in Europe, but clearly, the two-time Tour winner is taking every precaution to stave off any maladies in France.

"There's a few things behind it. It's not that I have any problem," Vingegaard said before the start of the 168.5km stage to the hilly Montjuïc Park circuit in Barcelona.

"It's more that I hear already that there's some sickness in some teams and I've had a history of being sick in my last two Grand Tours, so as you said: 'Better safe than sorry.'"
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Pseudo-medical practices at Montpellier University Hospital:
Dr. Abossolo, who worked at the pain management center, claims to treat patients with meditation sessions and prescribes oyster shell powder on unofficial "prescriptions" to " reprogram one's genes ." In an interview with the YouTube channel "The Future of Medicine," filmed at Montpellier University Hospital and featuring Dr. Ginies, he states that, "[in] a previous life […] we may have brought back something burdensome, which still weighs us down in this life, and which we have to heal through illness " [2] .

According to this approach, illnesses are therefore not a biological problem to be treated, but the expression of " karma " from past lives. Dr. Abossolo also uses essential oils, but without opening the bottle, directly by calling upon them remotely. He states: " I use oils, but I don't take them out of their box, I call upon them, or they present themselves "; " they are friends, I work with them and they agree to work with me " [3] .

Dr. Ginies, in one of his filmed lectures, attributes patients' physical pain to transgenerational trauma (going back to their grandparents) or a lack of parental love. Furthermore, he makes diagnoses based on his patients' clothing.

In an interview following the video implicating him, Dr. Ginies did not deny these practices. He acknowledged them, explaining that he was " trying to understand how an emotional problem in childhood transformed into a symptom " [4] .

Practices without any scientific basis

The French Association for Scientific Information (Afis) and the NoFakeMed collective point out that these practices are not subject to any scientific validation, and that they have no proven effectiveness [5] .

However, the medical code of ethics, like case law, requires all physicians to provide care " in accordance with current scientific knowledge " [6] (Article 32). Similarly, the medical prescription of a placebo, a treatment or intervention with no inherent effect beyond its contextual effect, is regulated and can only take place with " clear, honest, and appropriate information " (Article 35). Finally, " the consent of the person concerned must be obtained beforehand" (Article 36). However, the accounts reported from the Montpellier pain management center in no way reflect this approach, as no alternative to these practices was offered. This constitutes a misuse of the university hospital framework for the benefit of pseudo-medicine.

The complicity of the university hospital officials

Following these revelations, the Medical Council opened a disciplinary investigation [7] . The University Hospital also decided to conduct a " practice audit ." This audit was " entrusted to a university hospital pain expert from another university hospital ." Dr. Ginies was temporarily " suspended from his hospital practice as a precautionary measure " [8] . The audit results were not published, but the newspaper "Hérault Tribune" reprinted excerpts on Thursday, January 22. It concluded that " this pain assessment and treatment center complies with the specifications of the Directorate General for Healthcare Provision " [9] .

Regarding Dr. Abossolo, the audit indicates that his " non-pharmacological approaches " " were not validated and therefore not accepted by the team ." At the very least , the management of the University Hospital can hardly be unaware that it hosted a film crew on its premises for a video, still online, which mentions the University Hospital and promotes these approaches [2] . Even if these practices were not shared by the rest of the team, Afis and the NoFakeMed collective emphasize that the University Hospital did not monitor them and that it indirectly contributes to their promotion through this video. The University Hospital nevertheless specifies that it has " filed a report with the Interministerial Mission for Monitoring and Combating Sectarian Abuses " concerning him [9] .

Regarding Dr. Giniès, the audit's conclusions are limited to asking him to exercise more restraint in his communication: " Caution must be exercised regarding the messages delivered, given the risk of misinterpretation of the ideas conveyed "; " [He] probably needs to revise his disruptive approach ." Thus, the university hospital does not condemn diagnoses based on patients' clothing and has reinstated Dr. Giniès to its team. To date, he continues to practice.

Furthermore, consultations with these two specialists were, and still are in Dr. Ginies' case, reimbursed by social security. Given the budgetary constraints facing hospitals, Afis and NoFakeMed denounce the use of public funds to reimburse these practices and call on the primary health insurance fund, the main source of funding for the university hospital, to investigate this situation. These resources could be used more effectively.

An Insufficient Response:
The use and promotion of unfounded practices, claiming to be medicine, within a public health institution is not without consequences. Even those that do not directly pose a health risk " can nevertheless lead to a loss of opportunity for people suffering from serious illnesses, such as cancer, by delaying their access to conventional medical care. Presenting the practice to the patient, who feels helpless in the face of the seriousness of their illness, can lead to such a delay " [5] .
In this context, the audit conducted at the Montpellier University Hospital minimizes the risks to its patients and the requirements of medicine. Afis and NoFakeMed denounce this complacency towards practices unsuitable for the practice of medicine and call on the management of the University Hospital to take the necessary measures to stop these practices and guarantee users a quality of care worthy of a university hospital. By 2026, the inhabitants of Montpellier have the right to access diagnostic methods that are more relevant than evaluating their clothing or the past history of their grandparents!
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Pseudomedicine at Montpellier University Hospital
Published online on February 2, 2026 - Alternative Medicines -

French Association for Scientific Information,
NoFakeMed Collective,
Joint Press Release, February 2, 2026
In a video investigation published on November 20, 2025 on YouTube [1] , videographer G Milgram revealed pseudo-medical practices at the pain management center of the Montpellier University Hospital (CHU). Two practitioners are implicated: Dr. Patrick Ginies and Dr. Olivier Abossolo.


That was four months ago, but I think it is emblematic of the current atmosphere.

The LC patients in my area were and are still likely to be driven to this departement.

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Pseudo-médecines au CHU de Montpellier / Afis Science - Association française pour l’information scientifique

Association française pour l’information scientifique Collectif NoFakeMed Communiqué commun 02 février 2026 Dans une enquête vidéo publiée le 20 (…)
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Dr. Abossolo also uses essential oils, but without opening the bottle, directly by calling upon them remotely. He states: " I use oils, but I don't take them out of their box, I call upon them, or they present themselves "; " they are friends, I work with them and they agree to work with me " [3] .
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The PRT trial:
«We don’t need to use a placebo, we just have to invoke a placebo and tell the participants that’s what we’re doing».

This just looks like normal BPS to me, presented in yet another different manner.
 
All pretty standard psychobehavioral stuff. At a university hospital. Another university hospital did an audit, and found that those are indeed common practices. LMAO they basically advised him to slightly tone down the language without changing anything.

This is the future of medicine. Not because it's any good, it's what they want to be true.
 
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