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Reme, Landmark, Garner and Van der Bergh as representatives of OCFN with an opinion piece about how predictive models and expectations cause LC and that this should be taught in medical schools.

Just wow, It's easily falsifiable too as people with LC have very diverse expectations and many of them had never even heard of ME/CFS when they first got COVID. Why do they (Garner et al.) not notice that it is them who keep projecting expectations and experiences onto others?
 
Reme, Landmark, Garner and Van der Bergh as representatives of OCFN with an opinion piece about how predictive models and expectations cause LC and that this should be taught in medical schools.

A great reply today from ME patient, psychologist and author Frøydis Lilledalen.

Forventninger kurerer ikke long covid

google translation Expectations do not cure long covid

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We need fewer undocumented hypotheses, less reference to VR glasses, and more knowledge updates in the face of increasing numbers of ME and long-term COVID patients. We have tried to psychologist diseases following infections, but it has neither increased recovery nor reduced incidence.

 
Just wow, It's easily falsifiable too as people with LC have very diverse expectations and many of them had never even heard of ME/CFS when they first got COVID. Why do they (Garner et al.) not notice that it is them who keep projecting expectations and experiences onto others?
It's also obviously a fake model they don't even actually care about, just a pseudoscientific reframing of the old fear avoidance.

These quacks have spent decades lying to themselves, and the world, that all we need is an explanation. Not a real one, we just need to have an explanation, it doesn't even have to be plausible. Not because we need an explanation, but because they do. The explanation is just a cheap excuse for doing the same things for the same reasons expecting the same outcomes, which is to perpetuate the lie that they can produce positive outcomes. Something they never have.

Because they don't need to. They got an explanation. And another. And a pocketful of more of them. They throw them around like it's pocket sand, blinding anyone who dares look into their empty pockets.
 
We have tried to psychologist diseases following infections, but it has neither increased recovery nor reduced incidence.
For decades. Against explicit rejection of consent and undeniable failure. Against decades of legitimate complaints and protests. Still forcing it down our throats and lying about it all.

It just doesn't have the same weight when it's a simple "we tried that already". It hasn't been just tried, it has been tried to excess, for decades, many times around. That's why they never do anything different, are still trying the very same ideas the original quacks came up over a century ago.
 
A great reply today from ME patient, psychologist and author Frøydis Lilledalen.

Forventninger kurerer ikke long covid

google translation Expectations do not cure long covid

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We need fewer undocumented hypotheses, less reference to VR glasses, and more knowledge updates in the face of increasing numbers of ME and long-term COVID patients. We have tried to psychologist diseases following infections, but it has neither increased recovery nor reduced incidence.
Good article. :)

Not because we need an explanation, but because they do.
Exactly. None of this is for our benefit. Never has been.
 
Response from Shepherd and MEA:
The ME Association categorically disagrees with the opinions expressed in Science Norway article

MEA Comment​

I would fully accept that having a long term and very debilitating illness like ME/CFS or Long Covid, which does not have any effective form of treatment, can have an effect on mental and emotional health.

However, I cannot agree with the emphasis on the role of the mind in symptom production that is being put forward in this opinion article from Norway.

The UK and Norwegian authors are well known for their opposition to much of the biomedical model of causation and management for ME/CFS and Long Covid.

I don't therefore believe that the mind-body approach to explanation and management that they are promoting here is going to be helpful in either Long Covid or ME/CFS.
 

Sweden Faces Criticism Over New COVID-19 Vaccination Strategy

Sweden Alters Vaccine Policy for Autumn Rollout

Sweden has introduced a revised COVID-19 vaccination strategy for the autumn season, setting it apart from many of its European neighbors. The Swedish Public Health Agency is now offering free vaccinations only to people aged 75 and older, as well as medically vulnerable individuals aged 18–74. However, healthy individuals aged 65–74—approximately 820,000 people—are not included in the recommendation unless regional authorities have already vaccinated all higher-priority groups.

Medical Experts Raise Concerns
The decision has sparked debate among health professionals. Critics argue that raising the age threshold lacks medical justification. Åke Lundkvist, a virologist at Uppsala University, emphasized that immune function begins to decline after the age of 50 and suggested that all individuals over 60 should be encouraged to receive the vaccine. The Public Health Agency defends its decision, citing reduced risks due to widespread immunity and the milder nature of current virus variants.

Economic Considerations Behind the Policy
The new guidelines are based on a health economic analysis that found limited benefits in vaccinating healthy individuals over 65. Ulrika Marking, an infectious disease expert at the agency, stated that the economic gain from vaccinating this group is minimal. However, critics argue the analysis fails to consider the long-term costs of post-COVID conditions. An internal report also admits that reaching all vulnerable individuals aged 65–79 may be difficult, potentially increasing the disease burden.

Nordic and European Responses Vary
Sweden’s approach contrasts with that of neighboring Denmark, where all individuals aged 65 and above are still encouraged to get vaccinated. Danish authorities cite recent hospitalization and mortality data to justify their inclusive policy, while warning that future virus mutations could reverse current trends.
Other countries such as France, Belgium, and the Netherlands continue to recommend vaccines for those aged 60–65 and older. Meanwhile, the UK, Norway, and Finland have adopted policies similar to Sweden's. The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) declined to comment on the diverging national strategies.
 


I know this is an incredibly long shot, but does anyone know anyone who who lives in Stockholm who would give me a bed for a week or two while I'm supporting a member of our ME community? This is really important. I don't have a budget but have got money to get there. Please rt!
 
The journal of the Swedish medical Association has a great opinion piece on the harms of classifying and treating ME/CFS and Long Covid as functional disorders. The opinion piece is a reply to a previous opinion piece promoting this model.

This opinion piece is written by Sten Helmfrid, Kersting Heiling, Jonas Bergquist, Anders Rosén, Per Julin, Bo Christer Bertilson, Per Sjögren, Judith Bruchfield and Lisa Norén. They are clinicians, researchers and/or patient representatives.

Läkartidningen ME/CFS och postcovid bör inte klassas som funktionella tillstånd

google translation ME and post-covid should not be classified as functional disorders

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The behavioral medicine approach is presented as harmless, but studies point to several negative effects. Claiming without evidence that the course of the disease can be influenced by thought patterns shifts responsibility onto the individual, which can be mentally stressful and lead to both feelings of guilt and a feeling of not being heard [7, 8].

This view also affects how patients are perceived by those around them. In addition, it can have serious practical consequences, since many advocates believe that support measures risk reinforcing the patient's misguided symptom focus and should therefore be limited. If the causal relationships are incorrect, this would be deeply harmful. The lack of support also impairs the health of relatives, who are responsible for the care [9].

The model also risks causing physical harm, as patients are encouraged to increase their physical activity incrementally, despite the fact that post-exertional malaise is well documented in both ME/CFS and post-COVID [10-12]. Patient surveys have consistently shown that incremental increases in exercise provide the least benefit and cause the most harm of all reported treatments [13, 14].
 
The behavioral medicine approach is presented as harmless,

There is no such thing as a therapy without risk of harm, one that can only deliver benefit. If a treatment has the power to do good then it also has the power to do harm.

Anybody who claims there is should be immediately struck of the medical register forever for gross incompetence or serious dishonesty and recklessness with patient safety.
 
Bror Ranum, psychologist and researcher at NTNU (where Landmark is doing her LP-project) claims that psychology isn’t science, but religion.

The start is about what an illness is or not, but there are some good points about the lack of evidence, low quality of evidence, and between the lines a refusal in the field to acknowledge the limitations and flaws.

Flaten, the head of the psychology department is also quoted, and it doesn’t seem like he understands the criticism. Clausen, a student, doesn’t seem to get it either.

Auto translate of some quotes:
- The psychology profession is based on a lie, says psychology researcher
Researcher at NTNU, psychologist Bror Ranum, believes his profession is quackery: - Mental illness does not exist.
- I have come to the conclusion that mental illness does not exist, and this is a lie that clinical psychology is based on, says Bror Ranum, a researcher at the Department of Psychology in his lecture at Moholt Library. He has previously worked at the district psychiatric center, the sleep clinic in Østmarka and in an outpatient rehabilitation team for patients with psychotic disorders.

Now he is fighting to create a space where psychologists can run their business without subjecting themselves to the medical model.

He clarifies that he is not claiming that suffering does not exist.

- Because it absolutely does, but I believe that suffering is not necessarily an illness.
Ranum also questions the foundation on which clinical psychology rests. He believes that the field is often based on models of how people function, without these having been thoroughly scientifically tested.

- But it is also very difficult to test it, says Ranum.
Ranum, for his part, believes that the entire scientific foundation of the subject should be discussed.

For him, this means that psychology should not be considered a science subject on a par with the natural sciences. Ranum describes the subject as interpretive rather than explanatory, and places it rather in the tradition of the humanities.
- We belong with philosophy and religion, not physics and biology, [Ranum] says.

Flaten does not share this assessment. He believes that psychology is characterized by standing at the intersection of biology and society, and that it is this combination that gives the subject its breadth.

"In my view, psychology is the subject where biology meets society, which is clear both in education and in research. I do not agree that psychology belongs to one of the parts alone," says Flaten.
- But I also believe, in general, that most people are open and honest about using the methods we have available that have shown the best effect, but that it is not guaranteed that it will work, but it works for many, and I think that is important, says Clausen.

Ranum, on the other hand, believes that the entire field of psychology must be rebuilt, separated from medicine, so it is natural to ask whether he has not considered another profession.

"I have considered finding something else to do, but now I work as a researcher, and I don't think it would have been possible for me to go back to working as a psychologist. It would only have been if there was a place where I could work as a psychologist without following the medical model," says Ranum.

 
Researcher at NTNU, psychologist Bror Ranum, believes his profession is quackery: - Mental illness does not exist.

Those seem to be entirely separate claims. The first is mostly true. The second is palpably not.
I cannot work out what Ranum is trying to say.
It almost looks like he has given up on finding proofs of efficacy for any treatment, and therefore has decided to abandon the field.

At the same time, he claims that he wants to help people, and presumably thinks that he could help people. The evidence for this claim seems to be just a non-existent as the evidence for psychology in general.

I also don’t understand the claim that psychology is interpretative as opposed to science that he claims is explanatory. How would you be able to do science without interpretation? And isn’t the defining feature of science falsification?
 
A magazine published by the Norwegian Society of Graduate Technical and Scientific Professionals has a good article on ME. Jørn Tore Haugen tells of his story as ME sufferer since a flu in 2012. He follows research into ME closely and this is what gives him hope. He says the government must think much more long term, and that the good research projects are financed by patients themselves. He also mentions the psychosomatic approach and has little positive to say.

DecodeME and the Daratumumab-study are used as examples of progress in the field.

ME researcher Olav Mella is also interviewed and talks about how it all started and about the debate surrounding the diagnosis.

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– There have been different views on ME for many years. Especially in recent years, more and more data have become available that can explain the widespread symptoms from different organ systems. The emergence of long Covid, with a disease picture that in many people has striking clinical similarities to traditional ME, has contributed to a new impetus in the research field.

– There is considerable concern among health authorities in many countries about the prospects of a new, large group of patients with disability lasting decades.

He believes that the press tends to pit different views on ME and long Covid against each other.

– But personally, I believe that further research results must be awaited before any agreement can be reached. As long as the disease is not understood better, it is easy to assert different views on the disease. Because the discussion has been heated and brings little new, we have kept a low profile and worked to better understand the disease mechanisms and conduct clinical studies to find effective treatment.

– It is still a disease with an extremely high level of suffering and long-term disability, he says.

Tekna: Jørn Tore har ikke kunnet jobbe på 13 år

google translation: Jørn Tore has not been able to work for 13 years
 
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A magazine published by the Norwegian Society of Graduate Technical and Scientific Professional has a good article on ME. Jørn Tore Haugen tells of his story as ME sufferer since a flu in 2012. He follows research into ME closely and this is what gives him hope. He says the government must think much more long term, and that the good research projects are financed by patients themselves. He also mentions the psychosomatic approach and has little positive to say.

DecodeME and the Daratumumab-study are used as examples of progress in the field.

ME researcher Olav Mella is also interviewed and talks about how it all started and about the debate surrounding the diagnosis.

Quote:


– There have been different views on ME for many years. Especially in recent years, more and more data have become available that can explain the widespread symptoms from different organ systems. The emergence of long Covid, with a disease picture that in many people has striking clinical similarities to traditional ME, has contributed to a new impetus in the research field.

– There is considerable concern among health authorities in many countries about the prospects of a new, large group of patients with disability lasting decades.

He believes that the press tends to pit different views on ME and long Covid against each other.

– But personally, I believe that further research results must be awaited before any agreement can be reached. As long as the disease is not understood better, it is easy to assert different views on the disease. Because the discussion has been heated and brings little new, we have kept a low profile and worked to better understand the disease mechanisms and conduct clinical studies to find effective treatment.

– It is still a disease with an extremely high level of suffering and long-term disability, he says.

Tekna: Jørn Tore har ikke kunnet jobbe på 13 år

google translation: Jørn Tore has not been able to work for 13 years
There is also a section about the Daratumumab study which I didn't see until now:


– Our hypothesis has long been that ME is an immune disease

The larger study that has recently been initiated (ResetME) uses daratumumab as the treatment, while placebo is the control.

  • Daratumumab is a monoclonal antibody, that is, a substance that identifies a special molecule CD38 on the surface of immune cells.
  • The occurrence of CD38 is particularly high on so-called plasma cells.
  • Upon binding to the plasma cell, another immune cell (the NK cell) is activated, which participates in killing the plasma cell.
  • The effect of this is that the formation of antibodies is temporarily reduced, both the amount of normal antibodies and antibodies that damage various processes in the body.
– The reason for choosing daratumumab is that the drug has previously been shown to have a stronger effect on the so-called long-lived plasma cells than other immune drugs. Our hypothesis has long been that ME is an immune disease, in which autoantibodies are formed, especially functional autoantibodies, which affect body functions without causing inflammatory reactions.

– These autoantibodies are largely formed from long-lived plasma cells, which can continuously and indefinitely release such harmful molecules into the blood.

– Do you see any patterns or special features in the immune system of the ME patients who participate, which could provide insight into the disease mechanisms?

– Patients' so-called adaptive (acquired) immune systems differ, depending on the types of infections, bacteria and viruses patients have encountered in their lives. Because of this, immune manipulation cannot be expected to be effective in everyone. For example, in the pilot study, we saw that the patients who did not respond had one common feature, which we will use in the next study to find the right patients to investigate the effect of daratumumab.

– We are trying to find out as much as possible about the immune system of patients who participate in our studies. In the ResetME study that has just started, we have extensive collaboration with a research group at the University of Bergen (Professor Tronstad) and the Charite University Hospital in Berlin (Professor Scheibenbogen).

– In-depth analyses of the immune system are performed here and we hope to learn whether there are characteristic changes in the immune system in those who have a clinical response and those who do not.

– Can this potentially help everyone with ME, or only a certain subgroup?

– ME is an immunologically complex disease. We currently do not have evidence to say that treatment given as in the pilot study will have a similar effect in general for ME patients. We hope that ResetME can help us reveal this, he says.

Jørn Tore hopes and believes that Daratumumab can be a solution for him.

– Yes, it definitely gives hope!

– If it is an autoimmune disease that affects the citric acid cycle, then it makes a lot of sense to me anyway. I can't count how many times I have felt malnourished, which is a very unpleasant feeling where you are almost paralyzed and unable to respond until you have eaten something.

– I have felt this feeling for no reason many times, I may have eaten less than an hour before it happens. The common denominator is that I have done something a little hard active right before it happens.
 
– The debate has been too heated
Olav Mella says that it has not been appropriate to be part of this debate.

– Over many years, there have been different views on ME. Especially in recent years, more and more data has emerged that can explain the widespread symptoms from various organ systems. The emergence of long Covid, with a disease picture that in many people has striking clinical similarities to traditional ME, has contributed to a new impetus in the research field.

– There is considerable concern among health authorities in many countries about the prospect of a new, large patient group with disabilities lasting decades.

He believes the press tends to pit different views on ME and long Covid against each other.

– But personally, I believe that further research results must be awaited before any consensus can be reached. As long as the disease is not better understood, it is easy to assert different views on the disease. Because the discussion has been heated and brings little new, we have kept a low profile and worked to better understand the disease mechanisms and conduct clinical studies to find effective treatment.

– It is still a disease with an extreme amount of suffering and long-term disability, he says.
I can understand that Fluge and Mella have wanted to keep a low profile, and I’m grateful for the excellent work they do, but at some point I think you have a duty to speak up when you see the abuse someone are going through.

They could have cut through all the noise and firmly said that we need to stop with the unfounded theories and speculations, and to stop treating patients based on nothing, and that we need to do the basic research first. Acted like the grown ups in the room, really.
 
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