News from The Netherlands

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  1. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    'Invisible'. Covered up. Disbelieved. Denied to exist until it explodes so much it can't be fully ignored. Not really the same thing. The people who should be aware of this literally refuse to record it, usually don't recognize it when they see it, and talk nonsense about it most of the time.

    And still with the 'mysterious'. It's not a freaking Scooby-Doo villain, folks. After 4.5 years to still be stuck on fake ineptitude is just pathetic. Even more so when the same health care systems that should be solving this have instead chosen to make every possible decision to make it worse. Through sheer ineptitude. So clearly the ineptitude isn't all fake, but it's more of a "pretend to act like a clown long enough and it's pretty much the same thing as acting like a clown".

    I mean, look at them, "trialing" things have not shown any effectiveness anywhere, things that have been tried and failed already. What's up with this weird national chauvinism here? Every single health care system, big or small, has to do all the exact same things as all the others. They coordinate nothing, it's maximum redundancy for maximum costs and the worse possible results. These people need more help than we do. They are completely lost and can't even admit it.
     
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    10.000 is the number of benefits from work related insurance. Full and partial benefits. That's for those who got it. There are many who didn't or had to go to court to fight for it.
    As I had to do over ME/CFS. (I won).
    Then there is the group that wasn't insured they get nothing or social (community council) benefits.
    The real number of LC patients.....???
    The real number of ME/CFS patients.....???
    I don't even follow the news in my own country anymore, this news came from the other side of the world, thanks @SNT Gatchaman!
     
  3. ME/CFS Skeptic

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  5. rvallee

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    NKCV is the "Dutch Knowledge Center for Chronic Fatigue", an outpatient clinic of the Amsterdam UMC. It's either headed by, or involves, Hans Knoop. It promises to treat and conduct research for people with "chronic fatigue". Boasts of seeing 550 patients per year.

    Their website has a list of testimonials from patients saying all sorts of good things about the clinic. Quite similar in wording and general style to the LP website.

    And many of those testimonials are fake. The patients quoted don't even exist. They are represented by pictures taken from stock photos. At least several of them are. Maybe there are real testimonies in there. Probably not.

    Unfortunately, I have full confidence that even if this were explicitly not allowed, and it was pointed out to an authority dealing with this, it would make no difference. They would feign some error from some intern, or whatever, make up new ones, or possibly, if they had been smart to begin with, use AI-generated pictures. I'm actually baffled they didn't do that.

    It's just par for the course for modern biopsychosocial medicine to just lie and make stuff up, even fake testimonials from fake patients. Which is explicitly illegal in many countries when it comes to customer reviews. I doubt it applies to health care, however, assuming that physicians would never do that. They probably do that a lot. Ah well. The perks of being allowed to both make your own rules, and not bother enforcing them.

    Thread with links to the stock photos they were taken from:
     
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  6. Hutan

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    Thanks for reporting that @rvallee. I very much hope someone will make a complaint and the veracity of the testimonials will be investigated. Of course, as you say, there will be plenty of wriggle room and any sanction will be trivial, but still.
    The clinic probably believes that anything they do that increases patients faith in their cures is justified, as faith is part of the curative mechanism. And, having a photo of someone offering a testimonial does greatly increase the credibility... until people find out that they are stock photos.
     
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    Looks better than the Lifelines they wanted to use before (Rosmalen).
    What a pity that I'm too old to participate. 18 - 65 years.
     
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