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Paradox of diagnosis The positive effects and limitations of diagnosis in ME/CFS and fibromyalgia (Nojima, 2019)
James Morris-Lent
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Made sense to me.
alktipping
Senior Member (Voting Rights)
since when did patients go to a doctor thinking a diagnosis is a way to legitimise anything .I thought well my younger naïve self thought you went to the doctors for answers and hopefully medical help . all this bs never came into consideration I do not think any sick person ever thought oh I will go to the quacks to legitimise my symptoms . some academics really do live in a phantasy world .
I had gradual onset ME went for a long time not knowing what was wrong with me. I had a bad sick record at work and it was causing problems. Getting a diagnosis and ironically getting referred to the hospital to the CFS clinic both made friends family and work take m6 illness more seriously.
ETA as did getting myself a consultation with an ME specialist who sees people privately and getting ME diagnosis confirmed 2 years after CFS diagnosis
ETA as did getting myself a consultation with an ME specialist who sees people privately and getting ME diagnosis confirmed 2 years after CFS diagnosis
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I am not sure whether those remarks are aimed at my post directly above them. There is unfortunately substantial literature on illness behaviour and the sick role which guided the thinking ot the BPS brigade in establishing their views of CFS. This paper in comparison appears quite benign.
By way of contrast with the writing of this author I thought I would provide an indication of SW's earliest recorded musings on this subject in 1987. This was the reason this article seemed benign :
The treatment of mass motor hysteria is more complex. Steps must be taken to remove the advantages of the sick-role by the withdrawal of
social validation. If the emotional nature of the contagion is pointed out the reaction of onlookers, who may be potential participants,becomes negative. Dr St. Clare cured persistent collapse amongst Lancashire mill girls in 1787 by administering galvanic shocks and declaring the disease to be 'merely nervous, easily cured and not introduced by cotton' (St. Clare, 1787).
Should social validation be granted, the epidemic may persist. This can occur when onlookers have a vested interest in supporting the authenticity of the hysteria
In the paper SW refers to ME and although he indicates that the condition is controversial, he offers nothing to counter the McEvedy and Beard explanation.
Andy
Retired committee member
Or, as we would interpret it, 'Dr' St Clare scared off anybody else from reporting that they were ill by shocking them with electricity and using social influence to deny their illness. I'm sure the mill owners were very grateful, 230 odd years later similar tactics are still in use, just substitute GET for electrical shock.
Wonko
Senior Member (Voting Rights)
So if you electrocuted people for not working then they start working? How about if you beat or whip them?
Isn't this rather an old discovery? At least several thousand years old.
What are we paying these psychos for, to discover stuff we already know, stuff that would be illegal if not suggested by them.
For some reason they seem to be immune from the law and any ethical or moral responsibility.
Isn't this rather an old discovery? At least several thousand years old.
What are we paying these psychos for, to discover stuff we already know, stuff that would be illegal if not suggested by them.
For some reason they seem to be immune from the law and any ethical or moral responsibility.
Don't you just love the absolute certainty in these kind of declarations.
The beatings and whippings will continue until morale improves.
rvallee
Senior Member (Voting Rights)
Definitely success on this front, pretty much the only success they can legitimately claim. Zero advantages exist. Never even existed, in fact, except for heirs of multi-millionaires or aristocrats, and even that is no guarantee.
You certainly can't fault these people for lacking imagination, they will explain complete fiction with utmost confidence and never skip a beat.