Petition: S4ME 2023 - Cochrane: Withdraw the harmful 2019 Exercise therapy for CFS review

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  1. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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  2. NelliePledge

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    Thanks to the APPG who have been added to the list of signatory groups/organisations, now standing at 70.
     
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    Fine work everyone who got us to 70!!! :balloons:
     
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    Hi,

    I've had a look at group signatures and I cannot see the Chester MESH self help group.

    Can this organisation be added please?

    Can you let me know the procedure for groups and organisations to sign and I can share.

    Many thanks
    Joan
     
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    Hi @Joan Crawford. We did contact a lot of UK groups through ME Local which is included in signatory list not sure if that includes Chester? But we’ve also got groups that signed up in their own name. Happy to add Chester to the list based on your request nothing further needed.
     
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    Fab thanks :)

    The name is:

    Chester MESH self help group

    Many thanks
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    The committee has sent a new letter to key people at Cochrane, posted on the letter thread:
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/s4me-...rcise-therapy-review.34973/page-2#post-521800
    It's quite long, so I'll summarise it in the next post.
     
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    Summary of the latest S4ME letter to Cochrane:

    We mark the fact that it's 6 months since we first wrote to Cochrane and no action has been taken on our requests, and no progress has been made on the new review.

    We formally present the petition to Cochrane and encourage them to read the comments on it.

    We request that the decision not to withdraw the 2019 Larun review be reopened urgently on the grounds of harm.

    We give 10 grounds related to the harms caused by GET for the review to be withdrawn, under these headings:

    Evidence in support of withdrawal

    1. Withdrawal of the review is in line with Cochrane's editorial policy

    2. Cochrane's guidance to reviewers has not been followed

    3.The 2019 review failed to properly consider evidence of harms.

    4. Patients' perceptions of harm should be considered as relevant as patients' perceptions of improvement

    5. The harms are considerable

    6. New evidence of harms supports withdrawal

    7. Two conflicting paradigms

    8. The harms include effects on patients’ mental health

    9. Biases and conflicts of interest of advisors to the review

    10. The NICE approach to harms evidence, and the pushback from GET supporters
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    The letter is signed by me and the committee. Although I drafted and edited the letter, several committee members and staff helped with additional suggestions and improvements, for which I thank them.
     
  13. Peter Trewhitt

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    Thank you @Trish and all involved for all the work gone into this letter. It is hard to see how anyone with a modicum of sense could continue to ignore these points.

    One can only conclude that Cochrane management are now deliberately avoiding any meaningful consideration of these issues, placing their reliance on a small number of pro GET activists, some with very close links to Cochrane, over and above any pretence of scientific balance.
     
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    seemingly in short supply @ Cochrane Towers!
     
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    An update about our most recent letter to Cochrane has been posted on the petition - the update looks a lot like Trish's summary above.

    If you haven't had a look at the petition yet, please do. Here's the link: https://chng.it/xwQ9bGgcdL
     
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    Related to ongoing harms from uncorrected guidance: the UK Covid enquiry is hearing from families of those with eg intellectual disabilities who were denied ICU care and died in the early stages of the pandemic. Thousands of disabled people died after ‘Covid treatment withheld’, inquiry to probe (iNews)

     
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    Question:

    Does anyone know if NICE issued a statement concerning the possibility of harm resulting from treatment of ME between this specific date parameter?

    24.1.2019 - 2.10.2019

    The end date being the date Cochrane published the amended version of the Review. Publication of Cochrane Review: ‘Exercise therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome’ | Cochrane

    If they did, can someone point me in the direction of a link to it please?

    ETA: Also, what is the average timeframe from decision to conduct a review and it's publication?
     
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  19. Peter Trewhitt

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    There is a recent research paper that looks at this question that has a thread here. I will try to find it, but I have specific problems in coping with how larger amounts of information are structured.

    [added - I found the link more easily than expected - https://www.s4me.info/threads/half-...after-the-protocol-2020-andersen-et-al.37474/ “Half of Cochrane reviews were published more than 2 years after the protocol, 2020, Andersen et al.” ]
     
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  20. Peter Trewhitt

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    Sorry, although the thread here was recent, the article itself is from 2020. See https://www.jclinepi.com/article/S0895-4356(20)30124-4/abstract . I haven’t yet found access to the full text that is not behind a paywall.
     
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