Petition: S4ME 2023 - Cochrane: Withdraw the harmful 2019 Exercise therapy for CFS review

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  1. bobbler

    bobbler Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Today, 19th Jan 2024, is the date parliamentary recess for christmas begins until 6th Jan
     
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  2. bobbler

    bobbler Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    beyond that, even if they are [ethical people who put some effort into believing that having integrity is something you either have or don't, and doing one thing without caring enough to check could indeed lose that etc], with the hierarchy and the reactions certain individuals always take (often involving name-calling at the least) to anything not fawning and which might be critique then even if you were brave enough to take a risk on your own career your boss etc mightn't. Such temperaments are rarely an accident, they tend to stay that way because of what they achieve for those who behave in that way.
     
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  3. Sean

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    Whatever shreds of doubt there were left about how utterly corrupted Cochrane have become by the psychosomatic cult, they have been completely removed.

    Gutless, dishonest, abusive hacks.

    Particularly cruel to do this just before Christmas.
     
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    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    classic is late on a Friday afternoon
     
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  5. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah. I've had this standard reply to my email this morning from a Cochrane officer who I know personally:
     
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  6. Ash

    Ash Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Gosh.
     
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    Ash Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Of course he did. He birthed this monstrous institution. Why would he allow you to inform him his giant baby was taking bites out of the little one’s at nursery, when that’s exactly what he raised big boy to do.
     
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    Ash Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yeah they’re a bad lot.
    I don’t think they’ve become it this is what they’ve always been at heart. It’s just that being resource strapped and such they’ve done away with the veneer of pleasantry and propriety.
     
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    Yann04 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Now 13’650 signatures
     
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  10. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I can't see if you mention on the petition that the most 'up to date' research in the 2019 (now 2024) review is from 2011.


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    also, as pointed out in other threads, the Cochrane database entries for CFS were not properly kept up to date by the 'Mental' group, and many rcts were omitted eg workwell stuff. I haven't gone over this, but I remember discussing it on a thread with @Caroline Struthers .
     
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  11. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think we go into that amount of detail about the content of the review.
     
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  12. Peter Trewhitt

    Peter Trewhitt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If we are doing an update on the petition to explain the date change would it be worth adding a sentence saying something like “However no matter which publication date is attached to the current Exercise review, beit 2019 or 2024 it is worth noting that the content of this review is based on a literature search undertaken in 2014 and contains no source material more recent than the 2011 PACE study write up”.

    This is potentially significant as I read one of Cochrane’s excuse for abandoning any new review as being there are no more recent studies since 2019, whereas it is since 2014 that is relevant. (We know that no studies since 2019 is a lie as there is the Crawley et al paper, but are there also other relevant studies since 2014?) This also means that though there is an attached 2024 date, this review is based on a literature [review] that predates by some years that used by NICE in their evidence review published with the new guidelines in 2021.

    [edited to add the word review shown in square brackets]
     
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  13. Trish

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    Thanks for raising that issue of being out of date, @SlySaint. I agree it's an issue to be covered in tackling what to do next, including possibliities of lodging a complaint to Cochrane, and or a Comment to Cochrane and possible complaints to funders and the Charity Commission. It could also be included in a petition update. i'll make sure the committee considers it in any action we take next.
     
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