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The effect of Delphinium denudatum (Jadwar) on fatigue: A randomized double blind placebo-controlled clinical trial, 2019, Daneshfard et al

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by Andy, Sep 15, 2019.

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  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    I know that fatigue≠ME/CFS but maybe the study might be of some use, possibly (I doubt it but you never know).
    Paywall, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0965229919301542
    Sci hub, https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.ctim.2019.05.027
     
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    So why did the placebo group get a little worse on all measures? Not much of a placebo it seems.
     
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    Since this was done on healthy university students, I guess it had some kind of stimulant effect. I wonder if caffeine would have the same effect.
     
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    The normal effects of student life?
    I suspect a lot of students get more tired as term proceeds as they burn the candle at both ends with a mix of social activities and study deadlines.
     
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    We do not know if our fatigue is a protective response against a problem with our biology the way it is in things like flu. If it is, stimulants could be dangerous, think of racing cyclists who die after taking cocaine to keep them going.

    If it is a switch that is stuck in the on position they could be good for us. Time some research found out which it is.
     
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    [My bold]

    Cobblers!
    Cobblers again!
     
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    How does such a ridiculous claim pass peer review? If anything incidence should lower with time, modern life is ridiculously easier and less stressful than at any point in history. Is peer review completely broken?
     
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    It passed something but it wasn't peer review.
     
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