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Trial By Error: CBT and Irritable Bowel Syndrome

Discussion in 'Other psychosomatic news and research' started by Cheshire, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    https://www.virology.ws/2020/05/05/trial-by-error-my-letter-to-ibs-studys-corresponding-author/
     
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  2. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Blog on Medium

    The Benefits of Prescription Digital Therapeutics for Gastrointestinal Conditions
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    https://medium.com/mahana-therapeutics/the-benefits-of-prescription-digital-therapeutics-for-gastrointestinal-conditions-86304debb883

    Parallel:
    Parallel™
    A New Way To Address IBS

    We’re developing an 8-week, clinically validated, digital program for people living with Irritable Bowel Syndrome.
    https://www.mahanatx.com/treatments/parallel
     
  3. Andy

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    Now there is a threat if I've ever heard one..
     
  4. Trish

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    'by patients for patients'
    Is this yet another case of a business set up by an individual who is convinced a particular therapy helped them and are dead set on turning it into a money spinner, despite there being only very shaky evidence from one poor quality trial that it has any effect. A combination of missionary zeal and money making is a powerful incentive to brush off any scrutiny of their so called science.
     
  5. rvallee

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    The psychosocial woo is spreading.

    Funding awarded for Mayo scientist's research on irritable bowel syndrome

    https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/0...entists-research-on-irritable-bowel-syndrome/
    I am still unclear about the actual reasoning behind psychogenic intestinal gas and diarrhea. But then again I am not a Sir Regius Professor of Bonhomie so what the hell do I know.
     
  6. Arnie Pye

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    When I read the whole article it turns out they are keen to find even more ways of blaming women for their own health problems.

    And from rvallee's quotes in the previous thread post what on earth are "disruptive approaches" to finding new solutions?
     
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    yes it's been clinically validated to not produce clinically significant changes
     
  9. Andy

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    Understand the issues of why it doesn't work, perhaps? ;)
     
  10. Sly Saint

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    article in Life Hack
    5 Reasons IBS is Psychological
    https://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/5-reasons-ibs-psychological.html

    so many things wrong with this.
    but if Deary, Chalder and Sharpes say it it must be right(?) even tho they propose the same theory for just about any ailment. Although it makes a thing about the fact that IBD patients are not as likely to have a psychiatric disorder, this hasn't stopped RMM et al from now aiming their sights on IBD patients.
     
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  11. Arnie Pye

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    Based on my own personal experience, I know that "IBS" can be cured. I needed surgery to deal with immense amounts of scarring and adhesions from delayed and botched surgery in my early teens. Once that was done (it only took roughly 30 years), my IBS problem was 95% cured.

    Doctors see IBS as a mental health problem - but they constantly ignore the fact that the bowel has two surfaces - an inside and an outside. If there is a problem with the outside you're stuffed, possibly for life.
     
  12. Arnie Pye

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    Info on the author :

    With an author like that there is simply no chance that physical health problems would ever be considered as a cause of IBS. And what about people with undiagnosed IBD? It can take decades to get a diagnosis of that, all the while being dismissed as suffering from IBS. I know someone who was discovered to have severe Crohn's Disease in his early 50s. He lost a big chunk of his bowel as a result. His daughter had the same problem and had been diagnosed and treated for it since childhood. But it never seemed to occur to doctors that the man might have the same condition as his daughter.
     
  13. Gaspard

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    Recent study: atypical food allergies and IBD.

    www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(19)34636-0

    Edit: formatting
     
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  14. Midnattsol

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    A problem is that many learn that this just simply doesn't happen (okay, I can't speak for all but in Norway doctors learn very little about nutrition and food, and us dieticians-to-be often get the story this does not happen). As an example, if you don't have celiac then you cannot have a response to gluten. Only today there was a newspaper opinion piece in Norway with an allergist claiming a lot of food allergies are just fashionable and not real. Gah :banghead: It's one step forward then three back with these people. "It's not the protein, it's the fermentable sugar! It's proven by this study on 30 people!" (never mind the muffin they used to test if someone reacted to gluten had other stuff in it that could mess with the results, but hey...)

    Then again, the supervisors for my bch thesis on impaired epithelium integrity said they got interested in the subject after reading it, "leaky gut" and other immune reactions than IgE after food intake is easier to talk about now (until one of the old-school people comes along) :thumbup:
     
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    that's insane.
     
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    It would seem the helping professions are no longer about serving the community / patients but about getting satisfaction / inspiration / colleague approval / awards to build up personal self-worth.

    It's the age of the guru and they are holding professional 'love-ins.' Keep the positivity. Don't use critical thinking / analysis / or objectivity it's way too negative.
     
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    As they say, "you don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps".
     
  19. Invisible Woman

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    You'll note she forgot to say "paid" privilege.....
     
  20. rvallee

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    No kidding it's become a mutual admiration society. It's actually one step beyond the ivory tower in how detached from the real world it all is. The only criticism leveled is at anyone criticizing the circle jerk of toxic positivity. It's basically going full spiritual, may as well just make The Secret the only medical textbook.
     

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