Trial By Error: Some Thoughts About an Upcoming Article

Alvin said:
We can either accept that or we can find ways to defeat this advantage.
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We need to accept what is true and then use that information to decide how to be most effective. It's easy to talk about defeating their innate advantages, but much harder to actually achieve. I'm not talking about surrendering to misinformation, but it's worth remembering how lots of attempts at advocacy can be counter-productive.
 
Esther12 said:
We need to accept what is true and then use that information to decide how to be most effective. It's easy to talk about defeating their innate advantages, but much harder to actually achieve. I'm not talking about surrendering to misinformation, but it's worth remembering how lots of attempts at advocacy can be counter-productive.
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Of course its much harder to achieve but if we stick to science and let them steamroll us with counterfactual smears and lies then we will have an even harder time getting anywhere.
Lets not forget that when lies are repeated over and over and over people start to believe them. Their goal is a propaganda war to turn everyone against us and towards them. We should not become evil like them but we should fight on all fronts.
It feels safe to stick to facts but thats not enough otherwise we would not be here.
 
With regards to how we should appeal to people when publicly opining on the ME debate I think that who the audience is should maybe in part guide us. Never use any statement that is incorrect but the overall tone I think can shift depending on who you are trying to relate to.
 
Alvin said:
I disagree
If humans were rational this would be a great method. But they are not, emotion overrides reality.
The reality deniers know this, they lie and bully their way to power. If we ignore this then we are putting on partial blinders and giving them an opening.
Science is an integral part of defeating them but if all it took was being right then Tuller's first article would have crushed PACE with its well explained analysis of their malfeasance. We need to not only be right but counter their bullying tactics and win the propaganda war to get to future scientific progress.


They have power and influence. We can either blinder that or we can find ways to defeat this advantage.
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Sure, but it might be better to pick our emotional appeals and stories. We don't need to play into the ones set out by people who have no interest in our welfare.

So could talk about the science (or progress towards getting science), and also do whatever PR campaign we like, but sidestep any irrelevant nasty allegations towards us.
 
WillowJ said:
Sure, but it might be better to pick our emotional appeals and stories. We don't need to play into the ones set out by people who have no interest in our welfare
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Thats not what i meant

WillowJ said:
So could talk about the science (or progress towards getting science), and also do whatever PR campaign we like, but sidestep any irrelevant nasty allegations towards us.
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It feels safe, when they go low, we go high.
But when we ignore their propaganda moves we let them get away with them. They go low because its effective. And people respond to sentiment and popular narratives and easy answers over facts, math and reasoned thought. If reality was all that was needed the world would already be a better place.
 
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