Vincent Deary, "CFS and the facts of life - an article for clinicians"

Skycloud said:
@arewenearlythereyet - what on earth is that in the photo you posted?
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Yes tripe...more visually recognisable than bilge ...and I do work with food so seemed appropriate :)

This picture may be a repeating theme when I can't be bothered to write a load of text as to why it's so awful ...probably need something that represents a delightful piece (slice of cake?)
 
arewenearlythereyet said:
Yes tripe...more visually recognisable than bilge ...and I do work with food so seemed appropriate :)

This picture may be a repeating theme
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@arewenearlythereyet I don't mind you posting pictures of tripe, even though it makes me feel like this :

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But please make it smaller, to reduce the Ewwww factor. :wtf:

;)
 
I remember years ago being on an ME forum which some groups had set up. I think it was called ME Message UK. The ME Association was involved, I think along with some other groups and patients in general.

Vincent Deary joined but didn't introduce himself. Ellen Goudsmit was on the list and spotted the name and questioned him on the list if he was the same Vincent Deary that is mentioned in this thread. It was (I think he left, or at least went quiet after he was outed) and after that I think a rule came in to say that any professionals had to identify themselves if they joined so people would know, and this seems common practice on patient lists now.

I don't know if he had intended being somewhat incognito on the board to see what patients were saying, but I was glad he had been recognised as I find it a bit creepy/odd that these people would join and lurk unknown on patient support groups where people are sharing private details of their lives (that these "professionals" might use against patients in their public pronouncements, as sometimes happens).

I get the impression from some things he has said that Simon Wessley sometimes lurks a bit on patient groups.

Just to clarify, I don't object to professionals joining if they are open about who they are, and if they are respectful of patients and not joining the list merely to selectively quote-mine to bash patients.

Off-Topic re vomiting shite
My Dad told me there was a magazine in Ireland (I can't remember the title, but I think it covered basically current affairs and cultural issues). I think it was an Irish language magazine (Irish is a minority language in Ireland, a bit like Welsh maybe in Wales, or Scots Gaelic in Scotland, though it would be more commonly spoken than Scots Gaelic).

A minister had said something they didn't like (unfortunately I can't remember what he said...hmm I am probably missing a key part of the plot here :facepalm:). They put a cartoon of him vomiting shite on the front page of the magazine to show what they thought of what he said.
 
Viola said:
I remember years ago being on an ME forum which some groups had set up. I think it was called ME Message UK. The ME Association was involved, I think along with some other groups and patients in general.

Vincent Deary joined but didn't introduce himself.
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It was the Yahoo email List set up by Colin Barton. From what I recall somebody was a bit critical of his ME Group, so he pulled the plug on the List and deleted all the archives in a fit of pique, with no warning.
 
ladycatlover said:
It was the Yahoo email List set up by Colin Barton. From what I recall somebody was a bit critical of his ME Group, so he pulled the plug on the List and deleted all the archives in a fit of pique, with no warning.
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No that is not the list I am talking about. Colin Barton's was IMEGA-e. The other list (I'm pretty sure it was called ME Message UK) was set up I think by the ME Association, Afme and possibly AYME. I thought it was creepier that Deary joined that one as it was basically a patient support list, so it was like turning up at a support group meeting for patients and not mentioning that you were a clinician that basically held them in contempt.

Colin Barton's list was for group leaders, so I wouldn't have found it as odd there as it wasn't for sharing personal stories, and we knew there were a few CBT/GET clinic promoters on the list including Colin Barton himself (so I half-expected anything interesting to be reported back to CBT-ers).

Esther12 said:
I've always wanted to know what Deary's comments were on that forum, from when I first heard about his undercover adventure. I'd love to be able discuss things with someone like him.
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I think I have the messages on an old computer, which reminds me I must get it my info off that computer and on to this one. I don't remember him posting much, possibly only one message before Ellen outed him and then I think he went a bit quiet and possibly left alltogether.

I get the impression from some of what he has said that Simon Wessely also joins lists to see what people are saying about him. Narcissist.
 
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Viola said:
Colin Barton's was IMEGA-e.
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Yes, that's the one. Deary was there too, he was there for a while before being chucked off. I think the computer that I had that stuff on was so long ago we probably chucked it out years ago. I'm not a great one for backing up even though more recently I have cloud back up capability that I pay for. :rolleyes:
 
Jonathan Edwards said:
When was this written? Can anyone be so dumb as to write this in 2017-18?

If I twittered:

Dear Dr Deary,
You really do seemed to have missed the point. The 'evidence base' for CBT is valueless, as is now well documented. It is not the lack of empathy the patients are concerned about, it is the complete lack of understanding of either human nature or scientific method that worries them. The homeopaths at least do not make people feel small.

Best wishes
Jo Edwards
UCL
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If you gave your permission to a Tweeter on here I am sure they would Tweet on your behalf, @Jonathan Edwards

I am still only at the stage of retweeting messages from others. Writing my own tweet has not reached high enough on my priority list to spend time working out how to do it, or what my password is....
 
Prof Vincent Deary
Professor
Department: Psychology
Vincent is a writer, researcher, and practitioner health psychologist. He started his academic career fairly late in life, completing his Medical Research Council (MRC) Fellowship funded PhD in 2011. Prior to this he worked mainly as a Cognitive Behavioural Therapist with an interest in researching new interventions. Thanks to the MRC funding, he made the transition from clinician to clinical academic and continues to focus on the development and trialling of new interventions for a variety of health complaints. He still works clinically one morning a week in the UK’s first trans-diagnostic fatigue clinic. When he was 50 he published his first book, How We Are. This is the first part of the How To Live trilogy, published by Penguin Press. These books bring together his clinical and academic interests, along with his interest in philosophy, literature and popular culture, to paint a portrait of human life, suffering and well-being.
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https://www.northumbria.ac.uk/about-us/our-staff/d/vincent-deary/
 
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