MrMagoo
Senior Member (Voting Rights)
He is looking at this forum as was described as a “humanities voyeur”. We cannot say anything which can change his mind, nor can he say anything which will change the mind of one person here. But that is not all - he is interested in”insular communities” belief systems, group dynamics.To be fair, I probably overstated in reaching for rhetorical flair. My apologies. What he actually said:
"PACE is radioactive in this community, understandably, but I don't think it "proves" anything about these interventions either. But...I also believe it won't matter if an excellent trial comes out."
I interpreted that to mean he accepts that PACE is not the 'excellent trial' people would need in order to support these claims. But I think I was reading too much into 'radioactive' and 'understandably'. What I think he clearly said is he does not think PACE “proves” anything about these interventions. But you interacted with him much more, so I can't really go beyond what he wrote here.
For me, if you showed me some amazing, well run trial, where 90% of patients with diagnosed long term MECFS that met clear criteria were actually moved from fully disabled by their illness to back-to-normal, I'd run out and spend my three easy payments of $199.
Disclosure: I've tried brain retraining, because I'm not a researcher, just a desperate patient trying to get better. I carefully followed the directions and it did…absolutely nothing.
On the flipside, what evidence would Alan require for him to say, “Okay, I guess brain retraining was a nice-sounding idea but turned out not to be helpful for those suffering from this illness”?
So he keeps asking what it would take for us to accept it, but never seems to say what it would take for him to realize he was chasing a mirage. Honestly, for me, what it would take is very simple: it curing me. I’m not a researcher, so selfishly I care a lot about n=1.
But he won't actually engage on the contents of his article for some reason. Instead:
"Look at yourselves. So cocky in the lion's den. I'm here alone. And that's all you've got? And yet...why should I be surprised. It's the rhetorical defense mechanisms that are so typical of the kind of communities I study.
Tough love. I've taken it for over a week. I've learned a lot!"
I'd be curious: what has he learned, and what are the 'kind of communities' he studies, as I thought he studied pseudoscience?
But this 'community' seems to be mostly saying: why is our strong skepticism toward expensive commercial recovery programs being treated as evidence of some horrible community pathology, rather than as the normal response to unproven and pseudoscientific medical claims?
I've seen the same brain retraining claims on 'millionaire mindset' videos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He seems to treat us not only as an experiment, a human zoo, but also a group held together by a belief, and conforming with that - and he is acting as if we are one.
Rather than people with an interest in science and ME.
I think that’s why everything is “you are like this/you think like that/I know how and what you think” because he sees us as sociology project he is evaluating.
Which is weird because for all the FLDS documentaries, channels, interviews I have watched, shouting “you’re all wrong, you don’t know the truth, you can’t see how blinkered you are” at the members doesn’t really encourage them to think outside the box, let alone put on jeans, buy a latte and leave.
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