Wired Magazine: The Painful Truth About Long Covid by Alan Levinovitz, 2026

I think @Learningandlistening is right in some basic sense here. I think that it is a valid endeavour to try to distinguish people with a psychogenic condition from those with an underlying pathophysiology.

I think ME/CFS advocates have often been dismissive of this because for decades BPS proponents have tried to psychologize the whole condition. I lay the blame mainly with them.
But, Liie, is it really a valid ethical endeavour to put psychosomatic labels on anyone at this time?

It's fine to try to make research cohorts as 'pure' as possible for whatever condition is being investigated, there are lots of reasons to carefully try to pick out people who have the same condition. But, despite the claims from the FND people that psychosomaticism can somehow be positively identified, it cannot. It is a diagnosis of exclusion and persuasion. The labels are put on people where
1. the pathology can't be identified with the will and knowledge of the clinician, and ,
2. the person fits whatever particular prejudiced profile the clinician has in mind (e.g. female, young, distressed by their symptoms, past history of being given mental illness diagnoses)

It might feel like a valid endeavour to try to put some ground between the patients with biological ME/CFS condition and those weird psychosomatic people over there. But, right now, we have no way to reliably do that. The important search for ME/CFS biomarkers may allow a group to reach the promised land of 'valid medical conditions', but there will still be people left in the swamp of medical ignorance, and some, and probably nearly all, will have a non-psychosomatic condition.
 
@Learningandlistening and others following this thread, you may find this article valuable in understanding the situation for people with ME/CFS and also now those with Long Covid in the UK and with repurcussions in many other countries.

It was published in 2016, but still has relevance to both the scientific research of the biopsychosocial approach, especially the PACE trial, and to how people with ME/CFS and long Covid are viewed and treated by government welfare departments and the insurance industry.

I think it's essential background reading for anyone claiming to have a thorough understanding of attitudes to, and treatment of ME/CFS and LC.

"In the Expectation of Recovery"
MISLEADING MEDICAL RESEARCH AND WELFARE REFORM
by George Faulkner
 
@Learningandlistening and others following this thread, you may find this article valuable in understanding the situation for people with ME/CFS and also now those with Long Covid in the UK and with repurcussions in many other countries.

It was published in 2016, but still has relevance to both the scientific research of the biopsychosocial approach, especially the PACE trial, and to how people with ME/CFS and long Covid are viewed and treated by government welfare departments and the insurance industry.

I think it's essential background reading for anyone claiming to have a thorough understanding of attitudes to, and treatment of ME/CFS and LC.

"In the Expectation of Recovery"
MISLEADING MEDICAL RESEARCH AND WELFARE REFORM
by George Faulkner
 
ScoutB linked one of the blogs from this page in another thread, and I fell down the rabbit hole. If anyone want to know about why it’s difficult to trust the results of even meta analyses, this blog is worth a read:
The TL;DR is that it’s almost impossible to remove all confounders so you are very likely to end up with signals that are just noise.
Trying to set up placebo science would be a logistical nightmare. You’d have to find a phenomenon that definitely doesn’t exist, somehow convince a whole community of scientists across the world that it does, and fund them to study it for a couple of decades without them figuring it out.

Luckily we have a natural experiment in terms of parapsychology – the study of psychic phenomena – which most reasonable people believe don’t exist, but which a community of practicing scientists believes in and publishes papers on all the time.
That's a perfect description of psychobehavioral ideology, so it's definitely not just parapsychology. Although, frankly, psychosomatic ideology belongs in parapsychology more than in any other discipline. Certainly much more than anything to do with medicine. More than anything, what we have evidence for is that the methods used to study those are completely unfit for purpose, but that's because the methods have a different purpose than developing effective solutions to those problems, in part because they simply avoid the problems, instead working out fake proxy models centered on their own perspective and wants, rather than the needs of patients.

Just like we have an even better demonstration that this placebo stuff is fake: supplements don't work. Obviously if this healing magic were real supplements would work, better than any therapy. But they don't, not unless someone has a significant deficit. They should work specifically, rather than the vague approach in therapy. Knee supplements should work better at knees than at tinnitus. But in fact none of them work for any of that.

The funny thing is how obvious this all is. In real science, say physics, certainty is defined in parts per million of billion of a chance result. In clinical psychology you can lose a coin toss and still call it a win, if it's popular to do that. They are so far apart they don't even belong on the same campus. And it's not because it has to be this way, it's because doing rigorous studies and trials in psychology would almost always yield the same result: no.

Which is the real answer most of the time about anything: no, you're wrong, you certainly did not solve this difficult problem with your easy vibes-based model that is just a copy-paste of previous attempts at the same thing and which had the same conclusion: toss again. In real science this drives the whole thing, finding that rare "oh this is really real". In clinical psychology, and so increasingly in health care, people seem content with the appearance of failure that gets marketed as a success anyway. The lack of ambition is appalling.
 
What strikes me is that in other illnesses there are choices for the patient..

Usually a patient can choose from medicine, psychological support, brain training, alternative treatments, traditional treatments, in combination or isolation. You can have cancer and refuse to treat it in any way, or just have nutritional juices.

With ME/CFS and some LC* we don’t have the same list of options because there isn’t any medicine.

* I believe some LC have incidental known issues which can be treated
 
My point being why are we heavily persuaded to the incidental things, whilst being denied a true choice?

I wonder how much the pendulum would swing if a drug was found, probably some people would still eschew it and try diet/yoga/brain training.
Probably some people would still claim brain training was the cure. I suspect the majority of people would not even try brain training.
 
Last edited:
I wonder how much the pendulum would swing if a drug was found, probably some people would still eschew it and try diet/yoga/brain training.
Probably some people would still claim brain training was the cure. I suspect the majority of people would not even try brain training.
I predict that once word got out of a genuine cure (or major treatment) there would be a stampede for it. They would need armed guards defending the warehouse it was stored at.

Though there would also still be a tiny minority who would reject it as being 'unnatural autism-inducing poison from greedy Big Pharma'.
 
Last edited:
There is considerable emphasis on argument on this thread and about the more intellectual issues of brain retraining and acceptance of what is 'acceptable research'.

Yet there also has to be space for the pragmatic. What are the problems with the actual participation? What AL is asking someone unwell to do?

Vlad Vexler released a video on brain retraining and his idea was to decouple the ontology & reasoning & idea of pathology of brain retraining but it still might have some use for some as it MIGHT tip them over a threshold.



I don't agree with him on this. As it's too woolly.

But, even if one can decouple from all the jargon and framing.

AL is still suggesting that people who are often very vulnerable, with often little financial means to spend a lot of money and subject themselves to days of what is strongly cultish behaviour. Precisely because it is about inculcating certain beliefs, narratives and framing.

To be fair I'm not even sure if it's 'supposed' to work if one takes Vlad's approach as it is about the sheer belief. Literal mind over matter.

My other slowing down mark for AL is actually what bringing demons - or demons by another name into the space means, it's impact. Even though it's sanitised by being coded into modern belief & psychology.

This is a scientific forum and most here likely haven't had encounters with demons (apart from Alan) but it is worth taking the time to say that those who do operate in a religious space (as Alan does)- how deeply ethically problematic and one could go as far to say abhorrent this is.

We are talking evil here and to link this concept or vibe to people who are chronically ill is just - well words fail.

I would ask Alan that before he recommends brain retraining to others he should actually do an in-person workshop to fully understand what he's asking.

My own vibe is that AL has got carried away and it seems all internally coherent and fantastical. But it's pragmatic application on to vulnerable and very ill people is a frame he cannot compute a d that is the driver of the alienation of his view to this communities.

IF it was proven to work - I genuinely don't think people would have an issue with studies or the pragmatic application. Nor would a change of mind and heart from AL be an issue but actually commended.

The depth of suffering means so many would do anything. Even drink, snort, bathe, or do anything with camels milk.

So if Alan's having a particularly hard Jupiter Neptune transit on his Uranus and his feet have somewhat left the ground I would say no problem.

And I would ask him to take a moment to seriously consider whether this new book is really needed? Especially from the needs of patients, which should be a priority and how have already expended too much precious energy on this.
 
Last edited:
My point being why are we heavily persuaded to the incidental things, whilst being denied a true choice?

I wonder how much the pendulum would swing if a drug was found, probably some people would still eschew it and try diet/yoga/brain training.
Probably some people would still claim brain training was the cure. I suspect the majority of people would not even try brain training.
Most likely some people would do both, and credit brain retraining anyway. Or whatever they prefer, be it colloidal silver or Bigfoot hair tea. Most faith healers with money will do that, regardless of what their pseudoscience says. They will fly on private planes to expensive clinics to do the expensive therapies built on science. Then it would be proof that their scam worked, and it wouldn't even matter if it was revealed that they took the real drug, they'd just say that it works better with both. It happens a lot. Uri Geller did very well after his scam was exposed on Ed Sullivan's show. People don't like being scammed, but they hate being proven to be suckers far more.

If some drug were found to be effective, even people like Alan here and Paul Garner, if they became ill with this illness and this drug did cure it, would take the real stuff, then probably credit either the healing magic or the manly man thoughts.

This is a true heads they win, tails they win, don't toss they win thing.
 
I wouldn’t like to work at that University. Are they ok with their name being dragged about in the press like this? Makes them look like a school playground.

Why doesn’t brain training get better representatives? People think it’s amateur then the cheerleaders always have arguments that fall apart, just puts nails in its coffin.
 
Last edited:
Considering that the vast majority of clinical trials in LC, and in ME/CFS, have been on exercise rehabilitation or forms thereof, this was a very bizarre thing to focus on. It is remarkable in that it's necessary to misrepresent the issue to make it appear "spooky". I'm surprised we haven't been accused of corrupting the youth by playing rock music backwards in order to get them to do the reefer, or whatever.

The idea of HIIT is particularly absurd in either illness, it frankly boggles the mind that anyone would think this is a good idea, but nevertheless it has happened. Hundreds of exercise trials have been performed, what the hell is the value of doing a single more? The idea that a single letter would be enough to derail a trial is genuinely funny, and shows complete ignorance of the entire history of this illness. This ideology is completely dominant, the people doing trials like this don't give a fig about us or what we think. There is typically more than one published each week, going back for years, and no one ever admits even a single mistake, everything they do is always perfect and irreproachable.

Specifically on HIIT:
Fatigue Exacerbation by Interval or Continuous Exercise in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (2016) Sandler, C; Llloyd, A; Barry, B
Functional Limitations and Exercise Intolerance in Patients With Post-COVID Condition A Randomized Crossover Clinical Trial, 2024, Tryfonos et al
Effect of Combined Rehabilitation on Post Covid 19 CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, 2024, Abdul Latif
(Recruiting) Exercise Intolerance in Post-COVID Patients, 2022, Lundberg et al

To be fair, I don't think anyone's tested hot-scotching either. That's good for a solid dozen trials, which would only take 10-15 years. Let's wait for this to deliver. Then let's try, I don't know break-dancing. Yeah, whatever why not? Good for at least a decade by mixing and matching all sorts of dancing styles. We could do one strictly about following the routine Raygunn, maybe it's doing the kangaroo that is the magic trick. Then maybe another decade on yo-yoing, followed probably by finger-dancing, that ought to interest a lot of folks in Ireland (maybe I mixed my traditions here).
 
To be fair, I don't think anyone's tested hot-scotching either.
Took me a moment to figure out what you were proposing there with hot-scotching. Mulled scotch? (I have taken to having a very small portion of lightly microwaved ginger wine lately - it's cold outside, the warm ginger wine is very nice).

I wondered if it was some modern thing that I have not caught up with, frankly it sounded a bit like something that should have an R rating. I then realised you were suggesting a playground game that was old even when I was a child.
 
I've been thinking about why there has been a strong reaction to this article. I'll share a few thoughts.

First, the foregrounding of brain retraining in the article as something that has anecdotal evidence and the apparent conclusion that this means it should be researched, but there is allegedly patient hostility to the method meaning it can't be talked about and can't get reseached.

I think exactly the same argument could be made about any of the biomedical treatments that have anecdotal evidence but little or no research. Take abilify, dara, antivirals, hyperbaric oxygen, HELP apheresis and blood thinners as examples with their keen advocates who have either read of recoveries or experienced recovery or improvement themselves while using those treatments, and think there should be more money in research, and in the meantime those who advocate for them think people should be free to try them without being criticised or told there's no valid evidence.

None of these treatments has as far as I know undergone clinical trials for Long Covid of sufficient size and quality to enable anyone to claim they are cures or have evidence of any efficacy for Long Covid or ME/CFS. I don't think any of them even have funding for large trials.

Why is that? Could it be that the nearly 40 years of post infectious illnesses being firmly anchored by a group of psychiatrists and their followers in the psychosomatic domain, egged on and funded by vested interests in governments and health insurance to keep us classed as not physically sick, but rather to having character flaws and making ourselves sick by fear of activity or lack of resilience or malingering? As a result funding bodies have put most of what little money there is for ME/CFS and lately Long Covid research into psychobehavioural studies and treatment trials. Little or no government funded research money has gone into biomedical studies or trials for ME/CFS or Long Covid.

Psychobehavioural treatment comes in different forms of two types: the 'respectable' versions administered by health professionals such as CBT, GET and rehabilitation with a psychological component; and the 'fringe' versions of brain retraining that call themselves training rather than therapy to get around criticisms that the people running them are not trained health professionals.

Far from patients being able to stop psychobehavioural trials, CBT and its variations have been tested multiple times for ME/CFS for decades in trials large and small, and now for Long Covid too. The outcome is always the same - small differences from controls in short term questionnaires that are too easily skewed by therapist effect etc, and no difference in objective or longer term subjective outcomes compared with controls including no treatment. They don't work. If it were a drug it would have been dismissed long ago as ineffective, as indeed NICE did in 2021.

Yet despite that, promoters of psychobehavioural therapies fight on, with their power outweighting what we patients can do. Look at the just this week Garner and Chalder getting to promote this at a UK psychiatrists conference. They are not being silenced. Far from it.

Brain retraining specifically has not been tested much in clinical trials, probably partly because doctors who might carry out those trials recognise that training run by non clinicians that often is secretive about its methods and if they look closely into it makes claims to be able to treat a very wide range of conditions is not something they would get ethics approval for.

Many brain retraining providers show all the signs of being unevidenced scams - outrageous claims of cures for people with irreversible pathologies, secrecy over methods unless you pay first, only allowing people to take part if they agree not to question the methods or explanations and believe wholeheartedly it works, explanations of neuroscience that is factually incorrect, websites full of unverifiable anecotes, use of social media influencers to promote them and so on. And if you bother to look, multiple other anecdotes of harm and unethical practices. So why would any doctor take these serously enough to research them when they would see the flaws and unethical practices if they looked into them? And they would know that the already tested versions like CBT have been tested and shown to be ineffective.

There are some doctors and therapists who do use brain retraining methods without evidence beyond anecdotal, just as there are some who use the biomedical treatments I listed based on anecdote. And there have been some trials such as the infamous Crawley trial of LP on children.

I wonder how we would react if the same article were written, with emotive anecdotes and claims of harassment of researchers, if the treatment the article promoted was antivirals, or abilify or blood thinners. I suspect we would be equally critical, and talk about lack of evidence, side effects, and we would be critical of doctors who prescribe them without evidence for years without doing the research.
 
Last edited:
One aspect of the brain retraining approach that is a strong red flag that hasn’t been touched on much is the adoption of multi level marketing techniques to capture a cohort of participants into promoting the approach unconditionally by paying to become “trainers” and therefore acquiring an ongoing financial incentive to suppress any criticism in social media interactions. .

and arguably quite similar to the control exerted by cult like organisations like Scientology which presumably is something those in the religious studies field are familiar with.
 
Last edited:
NYT columnist Zeynep Tufekci has clashed with Alan about the piece. Now she's re-X'd my post about how the article did not clearly represent an exercise study at University of Virginia, belittled the UVA law professor who protested, and then provided enough details about her that anyone could identify her. This is bad journalism on multiple counts:
 
Took me a moment to figure out what you were proposing there with hot-scotching. Mulled scotch? (I have taken to having a very small portion of lightly microwaved ginger wine lately - it's cold outside, the warm ginger wine is very nice).

I wondered if it was some modern thing that I have not caught up with, frankly it sounded a bit like something that should have an R rating. I then realised you were suggesting a playground game that was old even when I was a child.
I'm going to pretend it's not a typo but rather a novel form of hop-scotching performed in a spa.

It's nooooovel. And opens up all sorts of bullshit variations: dry, wet, Japanese, Icelandic, and yeah this is not tempering the notion that this deserves an R-rating uh?
 
Back
Top Bottom