Wired Magazine: The Painful Truth About Long Covid by Alan Levinovitz, 2026

What is this mind called 'Alan' that 'believes'? Science has no minds that believe. Plenty of scientists go around presuming it does but, no Siree, there ain't no such scientific thing. Or is the body Alan that believes? The whole thing is a mirage.

The Cartesian pastiche that denies that it is Cartesian is every bit as absurd as an old man's hairstyle. What are the neurons doing (remember that this is all supposed to be based on spanking new neuroscience).

Some years ago I concluded that there is no way to have insight into the thoughts of people who unlike you and I can hold absurd self-contradictory beliefs.
This has been a big part of the shift in recent years. It used to be that if people said things like this, they couldn't hide behind, and almost no one would grant them, that they actually believe it. Because it doesn't matter if someone believes the Earth is flat. It isn't. Of course the big problem here is that someone talking about flat Earth would mostly get dismissed because scientists disagree, know that it's false.

But here the problem is unresolved, there are no real experts, only authorities. Mostly by choice, but still. So the arguments are all forms of logical fallacies hiding behind the appeal to authority fallacy. Some decades ago, most physicians paid no attention to this stuff. Alternative medicine was fully independent of scientific medicine. No longer, now they strongly overlap, and that completely breaks relying on experts. The beams have crossed, and the giant marshmallow monster is rampaging around.

I don't think it's caused by the thing that started roughly 10 years ago. The one I won't mention because of politics. I think instead it was a consequence of that natural shift. It just turns out that medicine is not only not immune to this, for historical and institutional reasons, it's especially susceptible to it, while for the most part absolutely certain it is completely beyond falling for it.

Humans love magic. In the end this is what it's all about. This is healing magic. It's completely mediocre healing magic, but it's too alluring to ignore. It's also way too convenient for the privatization of problems and the socialization of losses they incur.
 


“Engage critics: you immediately insulted me and told me I must have not done my research even though I have been writing on this topic for years.Meanwhile, your article doesn’t even mention huge trials into the very things that your article alleges that “we can’t talk about.”

I was very pleased she picked up on this point. It will make it harder for Wired to ignore, although they likely still will.
 
One very notable thing here is that like everyone involved in this debate at a distance, and I include psychobehavioral ideologues in this, is that they can simply walk away once they get bored. Even in the midst of things, they have their evenings and week-ends, they can and do simply tune it all out. Levinovitz said he's walking away from this debate. He's bored with it. Even though he has an upcoming book on this very topic, and will obviously be talking about it a lot.

We can't. We are stuck in the prison they help perpetuate. To them, none of this really matters. It's not any more real to them than a video game is. They can simply shut it off.

Also, although in the last 1-2 years of Long Covid there were a lot of boasts and testimonies about which supplements made them recover, the vast majority of recovery reports in the last 2 years have become what is the usual standard: didn't do anything different, some day things just got better, and kept on being a bit better, without changing anything. Lots of relapses, too. It's all over the place. All of which nullifies all the healing magic anecdotes, but because it's so easy to walk away from it, they can also simply ignore it.

 
the vast majority of recovery reports in the last 2 years have become what is the usual standard: didn't do anything different, some day things just got better, and kept on being a bit better, without changing anything.
This kind of stories are really interesting! They should be highlighted more. They are good arguments for why recovery stories are bad arguments.

I think these recovery stories are very persuasive for many people. For outsiders it's hard to spot why they are so misleading. They keep being brought up.

If I had the mental energy I would start a thread to catalogue and discuss the underlying causes for recovery stories... but I don't. :(
 
If I had the mental energy I would start a thread to catalogue and discuss the underlying causes for recovery stories... but I don't.
We could just start up a thread of 'natural' or 'unexplained' recovery stories and add posts there organically as people come across them? (If a thread like this doesn't already exist.)

@kacheston's bmj rapid response is maybe another one for the list.
 
We could just start up a thread of 'natural' or 'unexplained' recovery stories and add posts there organically as people come across them? (If a thread like this doesn't already exist.)

I started a thread. Feel free to contribute. :)

 
This kind of stories are really interesting! They should be highlighted more. They are good arguments for why recovery stories are bad arguments.

I think these recovery stories are very persuasive for many people. For outsiders it's hard to spot why they are so misleading. They keep being brought up.

If I had the mental energy I would start a thread to catalogue and discuss the underlying causes for recovery stories... but I don't. :(
There was a lot of this in the early days of Covid/LC on general forums I was on (honestly even the coronation St ones) the Covid recovery chat overtook. There were a lot of people swearing by diet/antihistamines/yoga breathing etc then a few months later the usual story -helped a bit but didn’t cure/turns out I’m still ill etc as above. We got those updates easily in the beginning as everyone was online all the time, and it was all new.

It would be harder now to revisit every “user343” and “sparklyfairy14” and ask whether they are still recovered as they were when they started their regime of alkaline water and activated charcoal.
 
Here I am, I wrote the piece, I welcome debate and discussion but I’m not willing to discuss what I wrote, I’m v busy now so not going to discuss it.

Just keeps happening doesn’t it?
Mij said:
"It was important for me to engage with critics of my WIRED piece about long Covid. I think journalists owe the public and their critics this kind of engagement, especially on a topic as fraught as this one. But at this point I think I've said everything that's useful. I'll be stepping away from this specific topic on social media for the next few months.

If you are interested in how it has all played out, I encourage you to go through my timeline. You'll see my posts, which include links to longer critiques of my piece, as well as my replies to people on here. They also include threads laying out more extended discussions of topics that couldn't get adequate treatment in the piece."

Hmm. If I were to be actively planning a marketing campaign that relied on claims of silencing by yappy patients you are suggesting these things are 'done to' in order to grab attention and then ask people to read only what I wanted to point them towards (AIDA --> attention, interest, desire, action)

well then I'd have planned well in advance a scheme of links and tempting one-liners to those links and would drip-feed them through. Particularly in order to make sure anyone reading doesn't look up their own results to the questions thrown up, but are stewarded towards only what I wanted them to.

Of course those incited to make the noise are being caught off-guard and wouldn't have such ability to plan long-term such a communications plan.
 
Not sure I agree. By contrast I believe he was expecting widespread acclaim and plaudits for his sharp and incisive insights that no one had ever thought of before.
I'm trying to look up his list of books. And I'm not sure this is unusual angle for them.

This is the page for 2016 book 'the gluten lie (and other myths about what you eat)' from the Simon & Schuster (distributor) page: https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/authors/Alan-Levinovitz/497650638

The Gluten Lie

And Other Myths About What You Eat​

By Alan Levinovitz
An incendiary work of science journalism debunking the myths that dominate the American diet and showing readers how to stop feeling guilty and start loving their food again—sure to ignite controversy over our obsession with what it means to eat right.

FREE YOURSELF FROM ANXIETY ...

Learn More

And here is the list on good reads, with the one after being "Natural: How Faith in Nature's Goodness Leads to Harmful Fads, Unjust Laws, and Flawed Science" - another one that has contentious and myths in its description

- and its reviews when you look at them for both books seem to be mixed between 5 and low scores ie are indeed polarised)


So I assumed the 'contentious' was his lane
 
Here I am, I wrote the piece, I welcome debate and discussion but I’m not willing to discuss what I wrote, I’m v busy now so not going to discuss it.

Just keeps happening doesn’t it?
Hi everyone, popping in again after a bit of break. Happy to be in the lion's den! Thanks for your welcome, and also for your no-nonsense approach.

Since you all like tough love, I'm going to give you some. It's not going to be about the WIRED piece, or any of the arguments I've made here and elsewhere. At least not in a direct way.

Instead, I'm going to start with Mr. Magoo, who seems to be accusing me of...not welcoming debate and discussion? I think this (hilarious) accusation is quite instructive. I've spent a great deal of time here, on Twitter, and in personal correspondence and conversations with people who have reached out to me, discussing and debating my WIRED piece. Hours and hours and hours. In any normal reality, this would be an astonishing level of engagement. I have my life, my work, my friends, my wife and daughter.

But Mr. Magoo is part of this community. And in this community, if one is not endlessly on call, constantly responding to everything, tethered to their computer and spending every waking minute researching and thinking about this topic, they are blowing the topic off.

It "just keeps happening" because the level of engagement Mr. Magoo appears to demand of me is that of Ahabian monomaniacal obsession. Which brings me to something else I've seen discussed a great deal: my area of expertise, which is the formation of beliefs and belief systems, and how those are sustained.

I am a professor of religious studies, yes. As some of you have discovered, there's no clear "through line" or agenda to my work on the intersection of belief, science, and medicine. My first book was about the sociocultural forces that have led to the creation of food taboos, along with a gigantic mainstream scientific research apparatus generating enough noise that everyone could look into the Rorschach of nutrition data and see what they wanted to see. My second book was about the quasi-theological appeal of naturalness across various domains of culture: medicine, birth, economic systems, and so on. I've written about an MD/PhD who got sucked into quack autism cures, for WIRED incidentally. I've written about vaccine-hesitancy. I even wrote about long Covid for VICE in 2021, when I knew less about "the" condition (not really a "the" but let's leave that aside for now).

And here is something I can tell you with unequivocal certainty, a foundational truth in my own area of expertise. Monomaniacal obsession with a topic, in a community of people who share the same obsession, when physical health and personal identity (yes! even if you don't see it!) are on the line — it is not conducive to finding the truth. There may be excellent expert discussions — the best 9/11 conspiracists knew more about concrete and steel beams than most engineers — but when it comes to truth-seeking, it is far from ideal.

Consider a parallel community, which Jonathan Edwards is well aware of: the hEDS community. For those who are deeply, deeply committed to hEDS as a diagnosis, there is no arguing with them. They are intimately familiar with thousands of studies. There are physicians and geneticists and rheumatologists (it's true), all of whom spend their every waking minute thinking about hEDS. They do change their minds about some things, but there is one non-negotiable truth at the heart of the community: hEDS is a valid, explanatory diagnosis. It wouldn't matter if Edwards went over and laid out the very best arguments and evidence. It wouldn't matter if he pointed out that there's fundamental differences between hEDS and other established conditions, and the broader rheumatological community doesn't buy it. None of that would matter.

In THIS community, on the other hand, the non-negotiable truth is that "BPS" — whatever that means — is bad and false, and it is impossible that anything involving the "mind" is involved in sustaining the symptoms of ME/CFS. By mind rather than brain, I mean...well, I would try explain, as it's very complicated and difficult, but I won't, because this is the moment at which this particular community deploys its rhetorical defense mechanisms. "We've heard this before! It's the same BPS nonsense!" Those simpletons still puzzling over how to understand the relationship between mind, brain, body, and community, the philosophers struggling to articulate how those words themselves aren't helpful — if only they popped over here, to Science4Me, where it's all been figured out.

Allow me to suggest to the lions in this den that perhaps you have more in common with the hEDS "zealots" than you might think. (It is, of course, a feature of these communities that they are incapable of seeing their resemblance to other communities they scorn.) Perhaps you, too, have hidden some unfalsifiable truths under piles of research and discussions. Perhaps, if you stopped thinking about this in terms of the research, and started looking at yourselves from the lens of sociology, or, dare I say it, religious studies, you would see features of a community that, rather than conducing to the discovery of truth — though they may do that — are also serving another purpose.

As I have not oriented my existence around the interests of this particular community, I hope not to be accused of delinquency when I leave this here and don't reengage with it for a few days or a week. No doubt the lions will have torn it to shreds! I look forward to seeing how they've done so.
 
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I was very pleased she picked up on this point. It will make it harder for Wired to ignore, although they likely still willI

I don't have much time for Zeynep, who began our interaction by patronizing me, and seems to think scientific studies about long Covid are "bangers" that prove things. Mercifully I don't have to argue with any of you about the relative importance of Iwasaki's latest or whatever new study Zeynep thinks is groundbreaking (le sigh) and I therefore should have mentioned — you should take it upon yourselves to explain to Zeynep and the others on Twitter that, in fact, we really are still at the stage of generating hypotheses about long Covid. Nothing more.

As for the clinical trials? There are many things I didn't include in the piece. I'm frankly not sure which trials she's talking about, as I've disengaged on Twitter. But I link to a various critiques of "mind-body" therapies. The piece just isn't about the recent science on long Covid. It's about the sociocultural context in which it takes place. If Zeynep wishes I'd written a different article, or included other things, that's fine. It's a critique writers hear all the time. I, like those writers, have little time or patience for it. Bye until a week or so from now!

Edit: I encourage everyone watching this debate to look through my Twitter. You may disagree with me, but in general I do my best to be civil, admit when I'm wrong, and share criticisms of my piece when I can.
 
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Hi everyone, popping in again after a bit of break. Happy to be in the lion's den! Thanks for your welcome, and also for your no-nonsense approach.

Since you all like tough love, I'm going to give you some. It's not going to be about the WIRED piece, or any of the arguments I've made here and elsewhere. At least not in a direct way.

Instead, I'm going to start with Mr. Magoo, who seems to be accusing me of...not welcoming debate and discussion? I think this (hilarious) accusation is quite instructive. I've spent a great deal of time here, on Twitter, and in personal correspondence and conversations with people who have reached out to me, discussing and debating my WIRED piece. Hours and hours and hours. In any normal reality, this would be an astonishing level of engagement. I have my life, my work, my friends, my wife and daughter.

But Mr. Magoo is part of this community. And in this community, if one is not endlessly on call, constantly responding to everything, tethered to their computer and spending every waking minute researching and thinking about this topic, they are blowing the topic off.

It "just keeps happening" because the level of engagement Mr. Magoo appears to demand of me is that of Ahabian monomaniacal obsession. Which brings me to something else I've seen discussed a great deal: my area of expertise, which is the formation of beliefs and belief systems, and how those are sustained.

I am a professor of religious studies, yes. As some of you have discovered, there's no clear "through line" or agenda to my work on the intersection of belief, science, and medicine. My first book was about the sociocultural forces that have led to the creation of food taboos, along with a gigantic mainstream scientific research apparatus generating enough noise that everyone could look into the Rorschach of nutrition data and see what they wanted to see. My second book was about the quasi-theological appeal of naturalness across various domains of culture: medicine, birth, economic systems, and so on. I've written about an MD/PhD who got sucked into quack autism cures, for WIRED incidentally. I've written about vaccine-hesitancy. I even wrote about long Covid for VICE in 2021, when I knew less about "the" condition (not really a "the" but let's leave that aside for now).

And here is something I can tell you with unequivocal certainty, a foundational truth in my own area of expertise. Monomaniacal obsession with a topic, in a community of people who share the same obsession, when physical health and personal identity (yes! even if you don't see it!) are on the line — it is not conducive to finding the truth. There may be excellent expert discussions — the best 9/11 conspiracists knew more about concrete and steel beams than most engineers — but when it comes to truth-seeking, it is far from ideal.

Allow me to take a parallel community, which Jonathan Edwards is well aware of: the hEDS community. For those who are deeply, deeply committed to hEDS as a diagnosis, there is no arguing with them. They are intimately familiar with thousands of studies. There are physicians and geneticists and rheumatologists (it's true), all of whom spend their every waking minute thinking about hEDS. They do change their minds about some things, but there is one non-negotiable truth at the heart of the community: hEDS is a valid, explanatory diagnosis. It wouldn't matter if Edwards went over and laid out the very best arguments and evidence. It wouldn't matter if he pointed out that there's fundamental differences between hEDS and other established conditions, and the broader rheumatological community doesn't buy it. None of that would matter.

In this community, the non-negotiable truth is that "BPS" — whatever that means — is bad and false, and it is impossible that anything involving the "mind" is involved in sustaining the symptoms of ME/CFS. By mind rather than brain, I mean...well, I would try explain, as it's very complicated and difficult, but I won't, because this is the moment at which this particular community deploys its rhetorical defense mechanisms. "We've heard this before! It's the same BPS nonsense!" Those simpletons still puzzling over how to understand the relationship between mind, brain, body, and community, the philosophers struggling to articulate how those words themselves aren't helpful — if only they popped over here, to Science4Me, where it's all been figured out.

Allow me to suggest to the lions in this den that perhaps you have more in common with the hEDS "zealots" than you might think. Perhaps you, too, have hidden some unfalsifiable truths under piles of research and discussions. Perhaps, if you stopped thinking about this in terms of the research, and started looking at yourselves from the lens of sociology, or, dare I say it, religious studies, you would see features of a community that, rather than conducing to the discovery of truth — though they may do that — are also serving another purpose.

As I have not oriented my existence around the interests of this particular community, I hope not to be accused of delinquency when I leave this here and don't reengage with it for a few days or a week. No doubt the lions will have torn it to shreds! I look forward to seeing how they've done so
Hi everyone, popping in again after a bit of break. Happy to be in the lion's den! Thanks for your welcome, and also for your no-nonsense approach.

Since you all like tough love, I'm going to give you some. It's not going to be about the WIRED piece, or any of the arguments I've made here and elsewhere. At least not in a direct way.

Instead, I'm going to start with Mr. Magoo, who seems to be accusing me of...not welcoming debate and discussion? I think this (hilarious) accusation is quite instructive. I've spent a great deal of time here, on Twitter, and in personal correspondence and conversations with people who have reached out to me, discussing and debating my WIRED piece. Hours and hours and hours. In any normal reality, this would be an astonishing level of engagement. I have my life, my work, my friends, my wife and daughter.

But Mr. Magoo is part of this community. And in this community, if one is not endlessly on call, constantly responding to everything, tethered to their computer and spending every waking minute researching and thinking about this topic, they are blowing the topic off.

It "just keeps happening" because the level of engagement Mr. Magoo appears to demand of me is that of Ahabian monomaniacal obsession. Which brings me to something else I've seen discussed a great deal: my area of expertise, which is the formation of beliefs and belief systems, and how those are sustained.

I am a professor of religious studies, yes. As some of you have discovered, there's no clear "through line" or agenda to my work on the intersection of belief, science, and medicine. My first book was about the sociocultural forces that have led to the creation of food taboos, along with a gigantic mainstream scientific research apparatus generating enough noise that everyone could look into the Rorschach of nutrition data and see what they wanted to see. My second book was about the quasi-theological appeal of naturalness across various domains of culture: medicine, birth, economic systems, and so on. I've written about an MD/PhD who got sucked into quack autism cures, for WIRED incidentally. I've written about vaccine-hesitancy. I even wrote about long Covid for VICE in 2021, when I knew less about "the" condition (not really a "the" but let's leave that aside for now).

And here is something I can tell you with unequivocal certainty, a foundational truth in my own area of expertise. Monomaniacal obsession with a topic, in a community of people who share the same obsession, when physical health and personal identity (yes! even if you don't see it!) are on the line — it is not conducive to finding the truth. There may be excellent expert discussions — the best 9/11 conspiracists knew more about concrete and steel beams than most engineers — but when it comes to truth-seeking, it is far from ideal.

Allow me to take a parallel community, which Jonathan Edwards is well aware of: the hEDS community. For those who are deeply, deeply committed to hEDS as a diagnosis, there is no arguing with them. They are intimately familiar with thousands of studies. There are physicians and geneticists and rheumatologists (it's true), all of whom spend their every waking minute thinking about hEDS. They do change their minds about some things, but there is one non-negotiable truth at the heart of the community: hEDS is a valid, explanatory diagnosis. It wouldn't matter if Edwards went over and laid out the very best arguments and evidence. It wouldn't matter if he pointed out that there's fundamental differences between hEDS and other established conditions, and the broader rheumatological community doesn't buy it. None of that would matter.

In this community, the non-negotiable truth is that "BPS" — whatever that means — is bad and false, and it is impossible that anything involving the "mind" is involved in sustaining the symptoms of ME/CFS. By mind rather than brain, I mean...well, I would try explain, as it's very complicated and difficult, but I won't, because this is the moment at which this particular community deploys its rhetorical defense mechanisms. "We've heard this before! It's the same BPS nonsense!" Those simpletons still puzzling over how to understand the relationship between mind, brain, body, and community, the philosophers struggling to articulate how those words themselves aren't helpful — if only they popped over here, to Science4Me, where it's all been figured out.

Allow me to suggest to the lions in this den that perhaps you have more in common with the hEDS "zealots" than you might think. Perhaps you, too, have hidden some unfalsifiable truths under piles of research and discussions. Perhaps, if you stopped thinking about this in terms of the research, and started looking at yourselves from the lens of sociology, or, dare I say it, religious studies, you would see features of a community that, rather than conducing to the discovery of truth — though they may do that — are also serving another purpose.

As I have not oriented my existence around the interests of this particular community, I hope not to be accused of delinquency when I leave this here and don't reengage with it for a few days or a week. No doubt the lions will have torn it to shreds! I look forward to seeing how they've done so.
welcome to the internet hun, it’s not an airport. Am scarlet for ya.
 

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