‘Help Holger now’ video about a Swedish man with very severe ME

According to what his brother shared earlier, the psychiatrists who assessed Holger at the hospital in December concluded that Holger's problem is not of a psychiatric nature.

Holger's doctor is on summer holiday now, so he's apparently not involved right now. His input has apparently been ignored so far.

None of the two doctors who have initiated the sectioning has met Holger.

Absolutely horrifying.
 
It is at times like this one feels so helpless.

Do many in the whole edifice of medicine understand that cases like this are a significant disincentive for people with severe ME to interact with the medical system? How is it possible in the twenty first century that people claiming to act in a patient’s best interests can enforce harmful changes to their environment and care and enforce harmful interventions on their patient against their will?
 
I do not want together involved in discussion of an individual's diagnosis and management. However, I would urge people to stop and think whether the arguments being used here are sound.

If ME is a serious condition affecting the brain, perhaps 'neuroimmune' as claimed by some organisations, then we have every reason to think it will have neuropsychiatric complications. MS, Alzheimer's, Huntingdon's disease, Parkinson's, severe hypothyroidism, lupus and a score of other diseases affecting the brain produce psychiatric disturbance. Why should ME not include psychiatric features. IF it is a neurological condition affecting brain we should expect that.

If ME is not in fact a neurological illness that can generate psychiatric problems then we come back to the fact that we have no idea what it is. The endless debate about it being biomedical helps nobody much because physicians have nothing to offer. I do not see that physicians can be blamed for offering nothing if they have no idea what should be offered.
 
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strategist said:
The concern is I think that he will be treated as if he suffers from delusional illness beliefs that must be cured by GET and ignoring everything he says.
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I can see that this is the concern but in the context of a case like this it seems to me extremely unlikely. I have first hand family experience of psychiatric care of inability to eat of psychiatric origin. Some of the care was bad and some good enough to save a life.

If someone is being sectioned the diagnosis will not be ME so treatment is unlikely to be GET. I think there is a danger in jumping to conclusions in relation to individual cases.
 
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What do you base this on? Have you actually followed the story from the beginning? What makes you think it would be different this time, compared to last time?
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I think we have already said too much about an individual case. I have explained what I base my comments on.
 
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Now Holger risks forced admission to the psych ward if he does not enter voluntarily. They want to put him in for a long time to help him regain his abilities. Nobody listens to us. Nobody takes us seriously. We are completely desperate. They make decisions without any knowledge of ME. We will not be with him either. They run over us and Holger completely.
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Exactly as expected, the patient and family is ignored and the psychiatrists think they can rehabilitate the patient. The outcome will probably be the same as in all the other cases where this has been tried. A traumatized patient that's even sicker and a family that has lost trust.
 
Jonathan Edwards said:
I think we have already said too much about an individual case. I have explained what I base my comments on.
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OK, you don't want to discuss this further, I understand. It was a genuine question on my end, though. I honestly can't see any reason at all to believe that this situation, after all that has happened so far, would suddenly and spontaneously make a 180 and turn into something that would actually help Holger instead of continuing to harm him, traumatize him, and violate his human rights. I hope I'm wrong about that, of course. But I feel there are way too many red flags, a few examples:

As Holger's brother has shared before, the psychiatrists allegedly believe they can cure Holger in a few weeks, provided they can section him/treat him behind locked doors.

I believe a fair question would be: why won't they offer to treat him at home, while respecting his legal right to informed consent and to be an active participant in the planning of said treatment?

Is sectioning in a psychiatric ward commonly presented as the first and only option for severely ill people potentially suffering from malnutrition, but with a different main diagnosis than ME; for example cancer, MS, lupus, Parkinson's..?

Why are they so adamant that his family needs to be kept away from him during treatment? In Sweden close family members have legal rights when it comes to information, participation and support (if the patient has given their consent).

What's the evidence for the planned treatment, and what are the risks? What other alternatives are there? Does the treatment take PEM and the risks associated with over-exertion into consideration? Has Holger been given this information in a way that makes it possible for him to understand it, assess the risks, and to decide for himself if he wants to give his consent - in line with his legal rights?

So far they have kept ignoring Holger's needs relating to his illness, which is a violation of his legal rights as a patient. They are denying his ME diagnosis, which is a major patient safety issue. They are denying him accomodations in relation to PEM, sensory sensitivities etc, also a major patient safety issue. They are denying him the practical support that would allow him to communicate his needs, wishes etc to the healthcare providers (for example allowing a family member to be present, or hiring an appropriate interpreter), which again is a violation of his legal rights as a patient.

And so on.
 
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Just some general points.

One is that I have already made it clear that psychiatric treatment can be bad as well as useful. That is a very real problem but it should not be confused with saying that psychiatric treatment is inappropriate for what may well a neuropsychiatric problem.

Psychiatric treatment tends to step up from simple approaches to sectioning when things are looking very serious. Severe malnutrition is very serious. My family member was sectioned at this stage.

Also I was told not to visit, despite the fact that everyone was agreed that I was well aware of everything relevant to the case and doing my best to help. It is not until one gets involved in a situation like this personally that one can see just how difficult it is. None of us are very rational at the best of times. At the worst of times, like this, it is impossible to be rational.
 
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