David Tuller: Trial By Error: My Latest Letter to Archives of Disease in Childhood

[Barry]

Wow, they're just investigating that now? I mean, many wars have been fought and lost since then. It's not like it was a secret in the '80s that that happened.

I know. Scary isn't it. Hopefully with the advent of the internet and social media, it will be harder to suppress things for so long now.

 

[large donner]

I know. Scary isn't it. Hopefully with the advent of the internet and social media, it will be harder to suppress things for so long now.

Thats why they are so desperate to "regulate" the internet.

 

[Sean]

One of the consequences of this is that it anyone reading the paper cannot use knowledge of the treatment to assess the methodology. So they cannot assess how the treatment interacts with the data collection methodology.

For this opacity alone the paper should have been rejected by the journal. Indeed, it should never have got past the funding and ethical committees in the first damn place.

 

[TiredSam]

well they published the comment a while ago--they know that the study is a sham. It just depends on what they plan to do. I think they're waiting till climate change wipes us out and they won't have to do anything.

They believe in climate change? Well there's a small ray of hope.

 

[Sly Saint]

Reviewers at BMJ Archives of Disease in Childhood 2017; includes Esther Crawley and Trudie Chalder

http://adc.stage.bmj.com/pages/thank-you-to-our-reviewers/

 

[Barry]

They believe in climate change? Well there's a small ray of hope.

But only if the climate wants to change?

 

[inox]

How much it costs??? After all, it wouldn't cost so much if it didn't work, that would just be unethical to charge something for nothing...

Duh - it cost so much to make it work

And that's not me saying it, Live Landmark herself:

-Some people have objections to the course fee and think it's expensive. What is your comment on it?

-My personal perception is that there is a strong motivator in paying the course fee itself, and motivation is an essential part of the training regime, Landmark responds.

From an actual discussion in the medical journal in 2009, about adding LP into the ordinary health care, as many were complaining it inacsessible due to high cost. (bing english - norwegian) yeah.... those were the days

 

[rvallee]

My personal perception is that there is a strong motivator in paying the course fee itself, and motivation is an essential part of the training regime, Landmark responds.

That's literally the model behind MLM and other types of pyramid schemes. It creates an escalation of commitment that forces people to try to recoup their sunk cost and continue to spend. Also: cults, and casinos. Should not forget gyms, too, but that's a different topic.

 

[Sly Saint]

That's literally the model behind MLM and other types of pyramid schemes. It creates an escalation of commitment that forces people to try to recoup their sunk cost and continue to spend. Also: cults, and casinos. Should not forget gyms, too, but that's a different topic.

I think the OHC also falls into this category, with the added incentive that you can often get a discount to do their therapist training course and become an OHC therapist.......and so on and so on.

 

[inox]

That's literally the model behind MLM and other types of pyramid schemes. It creates an escalation of commitment that forces people to try to recoup their sunk cost and continue to spend. Also: cults, and casinos. Should not forget gyms, too, but that's a different topic.

Yup. And insisting on participants had to pay themself, was why one of the study proposals on LP here didn't get an ethics approval. There are reasons as to why participants are not to pay to be part of research...