Preprint Digital health app data reveals an effect of ovarian hormones on long COVID and myalgic encephalomyelitis symptoms, 2025, Male+

I was fully expecting to feel terrible during pregnancy, at least as the start as the luteal phase (from ovulation to menses) is when I've felt worst. However I felt pretty great throughout except for when I had post-partum preeclampsia. I've now (nearly ten months post partum) started to have more ME symptoms again.
 
I am definitely disabled and always identify as disabled. So maybe it’s just me and three others in this data who think so?

I do think the Visible data is useful but I’ve not been impressed with the recent findings. I think it’s a case of good data in poor hands, though. It seems a bit “we’ve worked out a thing, that’s it, we found something important” rather than “this is interesting we should explore it”. That could just be the reporting though.
 
Perhaps a stupid question but isn't it more likely that menstruation caused symptoms in addition to ME/CFS symptoms, rather than exacerbating those? In that case it wouldn't not tell use more about ME/CFS pathology.
ME/CFS is more common in women, so it isn’t completely unreasonable to expect that some of the unique characteristics of women’s biology influences the symptoms.

Idk how to (dis)prove causality, though. Any ideas?
 
Me either, since it's all subjective. If you include healthy people and ask them how much their fatigue increases on their period, who knows if a 2 point increase means the same thing to people who are healthy and people who are already fatigued.
Fatigue is a tiny part of it .
 
Perhaps a stupid question but isn't it more likely that menstruation caused symptoms in addition to ME/CFS symptoms, rather than exacerbating those? In that case it wouldn't not tell use more about ME/CFS pathology.
I'm not sure that is "more" likely. We really don't know all that much about normal/healthy menstruation either so who knows what is common.
 
I was recently in severe pain (same as most months) I looked on the internet. I’d rate my pain at 8 on the 1-10 pain scale. If I didn’t know it was period pain, I’d call an ambulance.

Apparently it’s not a concern to have such pain for up to 3 days during menstruation. Intense pain, limiting your activities and making it hard to have a conversation, isn’t concerning unless it lasts into day 4. So yeah, periods don’t matter.
 
Just an example, but I don't think other symptoms would be much better.
Yes, the main differences with menstrual phase were headache and migraine. If someone has a migraine bad enough to have to rest in a quiet room, as well as period pain, they are probably reporting that their fatigue level is a bit worse too. I reckon it wouldn't take much more than that to shift the dial on fatigue reports enough to match what was found in this study.
 
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