Effectiveness of a symptom-clinic intervention ... multiple and persistent physical symptoms, 2024, Burton, Deary et al

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  1. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It makes sense when we just believe that when they say they think there is nothing wrong with our bodies, that's what they mean. It's like telling a child that they know there is no monster under the bed, you just checked and it's safe to sleep.

    No matter how they try to frame it as "yes, but believing in a monster can truly bring symptoms" makes no difference to the fact that in this scenario, there are never monsters under the bed. Straight up never have, never will be. They know what they're doing, they're just basically executing code that falls within a if(false) statement.

    It's all completely monstrous, pun intended, but it makes sense as long as you agree with a premise that is false. This is the nature of beliefs, why they can be so dangerous, why they usually hurt others far more than they hurt the believers themselves. It's their beliefs that makes this all so harmful, but the nature of beliefs makes the believers unaware of it, to them it's just logical, rational, common sense, it's not just true, it's Truth.
     
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    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes. Except of course when there are.


    Ectopic pregnancy, stroke.... If these people were in the 'all these symptoms, they are just your brain being a bit over-sensitive, dear, don't worry so much' group, imagine how much harder it was for them to get timely treatment.

    'one urinary tract infection' - a urinary tract infection is not a severe adverse event unless it is allowed to become so through lack of timely medical care.

    Ugh, these people with their patronising certainty.
     
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    Lucibee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Just to confirm, the Fryer et al. paper does outline in much more detail what the intervention involved, by way of describing the training of the 5 GPs who gave the intervention to patients in the Burton trial.

    The following section describes what techniques were taught to patients:
    It's such a shame that this is being used as a way to avoid further tests and diagnosis, rather than as a way to help patients cope either while they wait for those things, or in the situation where there genuinely isn't anything else the medical profession can offer.
     
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    Joan Crawford Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It seems like a mind-boggling expensive way of teaching someone to relax and breathe ;)

    One session with an OT would be as helpful (for those patients who didn't feel patronised....).

    And only after a medical professional has levelled with them honestly to simply state, 'we dunno' what is causing your symptoms, we sadly currently have no effect treatments and in the meantime looking after yourself and so forth is the best that can be done.... And patients are unlikely to stop seeking tests and so forth until they believe that all possible treatable issues have been assessed. So by trying via opaque methods to essentially persuade a patient to do x or y, I suspect in time they are perhaps more likely to seek further medical input and be less trusting of doctors.
     
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