1. Sign our petition calling on Cochrane to withdraw their review of Exercise Therapy for CFS here.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Guest, the 'News in Brief' for the week beginning 8th April 2024 is here.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Welcome! To read the Core Purpose and Values of our forum, click here.
    Dismiss Notice

Evidence of widespread metabolite abnormalities in ME/CFS: assessment with whole-brain magnetic resonance spectroscopy (2019) Younger et al.

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by Cheshire, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Cheshire

    Cheshire Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    4,675
    Christina Mueller, Joanne C. Lin, Sulaiman Sheriff, Andrew A. Maudsley, Jarred W. Younger

    Behind a paywall
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11682-018-0029-4
     
    zzz, boolybooly, leokitten and 33 others like this.
  2. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    921
    Previous neuroimaging studies have detected markers of neuroinflammation in patients with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS).

    Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy (MRS) is suitable for measuring brain metabolites linked to inflammation, but has only been applied to discrete regions of interest in ME/CFS.

    We extended the MRS analysis of ME/CFS by capturing multi-voxel information across the entire brain.
    Additionally, we tested whether MRS-derived brain temperature is elevated in ME/CFS patients.

    Fifteen women with ME/CFS and 15 age- and gender-matched healthy controls completed fatigue and mood symptom questionnaires and whole-brain echo-planar spectroscopic imaging (EPSI).

    Choline (CHO), myo-inositol (MI), lactate (LAC), and N-acetylaspartate (NAA) were quantified in 47 regions, expressed as ratios over creatine (CR), and compared between ME/CFS patients and controls using independent-samples t-tests.

    Brain temperature was similarly tested between groups.

    Significant between-group differences were detected in several regions, most notably elevated CHO/CR in the left anterior cingulate (p < 0.001).

    Metabolite ratios in seven regions were correlated with fatigue (p < 0.05).

    ME/CFS patients had increased temperature in the right insula, putamen, frontal cortex, thalamus, and the cerebellum (all p < 0.05), which was not attributable to increased body temperature or differences in cerebral perfusion.

    Brain temperature increases converged with elevated LAC/CR in the right insula, right thalamus, and cerebellum (all p < 0.05).

    We report metabolite and temperature abnormalities in ME/CFS patients in widely distributed regions.
    Our findings may indicate that ME/CFS involves neuroinflammation.
     
    merylg, Jan, AliceLily and 18 others like this.
  3. duncan

    duncan Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,607
    Without having read the paper, two items posted here jumped out: Why were only women tested, and what's with "fatigue and mood symptom questionnaires"? Mood symptoms??

    Whatever he may be glimpsing with MRS metrics, what footprints does he imagine he is seeing, as they may not be ME/CFS.
     
    DokaGirl and Invisible Woman like this.
  4. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    921
  5. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    52,221
    Location:
    UK
    Jarred Younger has said that because they only have funding for small studies it's important to study as homogeneous group as possible.

    Other researchers have found significant differences in biochemistry between male and female people with ME, so it makes sense for a small study to narrow it down by gender to get as clear a picture as possible of the situation for that group. For example, Nancy Klimas is researching three separate groups - men, and pre and post menopausal women.

    I'm sure the hope would be to widen it when more funding is available.
     
  6. duncan

    duncan Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,607
    Perhaps. I'm not sure this approach does not incorporate the same pitfalls with which we are now so familiar with decades of research that excluded women for diseases that impacted both genders, much to the detriment of women. Moreover, there may be an argument that says any cohort should attempt to reflect the population under study.

    Of course, none of this relieves my concerns with the fatigue/mood symptom questioning, unless the mood symptom thing was part of a screening process. I am also leery of anyone who might be conflating fatigue with ME/CFS - including researchers.
     
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2019
  7. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    52,221
    Location:
    UK
    It looks from the list @John Mac linked that out of the 15 one had comorbid depression and 3 anxiety. I would think the mood questionnaire would be to help screen out any effects on the brain from comorbid mood disorders. Mood is not mentioned in the abstract, so I'm guessing they didn't find any correlations between mood and the brain findings in either controls or ME patients.

    As to fatigue questionnaires and whether they had ME, I think we'd need to read the full paper before we cast judgement on whether he selected his sample appropriately for an ME study. I don't know which diagnostic criteria he uses.
     
    Mithriel, MeSci, rvallee and 11 others like this.
  8. Sunshine3

    Sunshine3 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    622
    He uses fukuda as far as I know...im hoping any Researcher working with OMF or with any interest in ME would consider pem mandatory for participants. At least I hope so.
     
  9. Liessa

    Liessa Established Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    44
    Not currently enough clarity to read properly but have found the bits on patient selection:

    Inclusion criteria:
    (i) age between 18 and 55 years;
    (ii) met Fukuda case definition criteria for ME/CFS (Fukuda et al. 1994), without the Reeves et al. (2005) modifications but with additional criteria proposed by Jason et al. (2010); and
    (iii) average self-reported daily fatigue rating of ≥6 on an 11-point scale.

    Exlcusion included diagnosed neurological, major psychiatric, autoimmune, rheumatologic, or inflammatory disorders and use of certain drugs.
     
    Hutan, andypants, Trish and 4 others like this.
  10. Liessa

    Liessa Established Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    44
    andypants, Trish and DokaGirl like this.
  11. DokaGirl

    DokaGirl Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,664
    It would be better if the bulk of the article was in open access. Costs add up if we want to access several ME studies.
     
    andypants and Ron like this.
  12. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    52,221
    Location:
    UK
    Someone will probably find us a Sci-hub link. I don't know how to do it.
     
    DokaGirl likes this.
  13. MSEsperanza

    MSEsperanza Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,857
    Location:
    betwixt and between
  14. dreampop

    dreampop Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    443
    No need to bristle at the inclusion of a mood questionnaire. It's wrong to reject something just because it includes psych issues because BPS abuses. This is an obvious biomedical study done by a knowledgeable reseacher. The inclusions of mood symptoms is probably because he's interested in brain inflammation, which is known to be heavily linked to mood disorders and whose symptoms often impact the mood. So, he had to match them at the beginning to notice legit changes.
     
    Mithriel, obeat, Skycloud and 15 others like this.
  15. duncan

    duncan Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,607
    I would have measured cognitive functioning. Associating mood disorders with ME/CFS - IF that is something he was approaching - is potentially playing into the wrong hands needlessly. Work with word choice or reasoning or abstract thought or basic math deficits. Why venture into such an area historically marked by abuse?

    Researchers need to frame their efforts in part by the politics that characterize this community, imo, or at least be informed by them.
     
  16. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    6,274
    Location:
    Norway
  17. hixxy

    hixxy Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    119
    I had an MRS done late last year to look for elevated lactate and I haven't seen the actual report but according to the metabolic specialist it didn't show anything abnormal. Does anyone know if even if they're looking for a specific metabolite like lactate do these scans also report on other metabolites? I wonder if the differences shown in the study are statistically significant when compared against controls but might still be within normal range for an MRS done in a clinical setting?
     
  18. Robert 1973

    Robert 1973 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,297
    Location:
    UK
    For those who can’t access the paper, here are its conclusions:
    If anyone wants help accessing the full paper, pm me.
     
    Trish, Andy, Liessa and 5 others like this.
  19. Simone

    Simone Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    445
    Location:
    Australia
  20. Diluted-biscuit

    Diluted-biscuit Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    518
    Interesting stuff, I hope they can get funding for a larger sample.
     
    andypants, Skycloud, Trish and 2 others like this.

Share This Page