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  1. Ravn

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    Donation page for Prof Tate's team has been updated with their 2025 projects
    https://alumni.otago.ac.nz/donate/myalgic-encephalomyelitis
     
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    ANZMES petition to NZ government: Fairness for the Hospitalised: Stop Benefit Cuts After 13 Weeks
    https://our.actionstation.org.nz/pe...hospitalised-stop-benefit-cuts-after-13-weeks
     
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    I'm not clear on what has happened there. The RNZCGP has been like a brick wall, in terms of the Lighting Process. They have allowed Bruce Arroll to promote it from his platform in the Goodfellow Unit (for GP continuing education) and in their frequent conferences.

    Nina appears to have complained about an article about the Lightning Process in the NZ Doctor magazine and has got a response that the RNZCGP's doesn't endorse the Lightning Process for ME/CFS due to it not being compliant with the NICE 2021 guidelines. And so the RNZCGP endorsement and the 0.5 CPD credits associated with the article has been withdrawn.

    I think there's probably more to come on this story. I doubt that Arroll will be giving up on this. I'm interested to hear more.
     
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    Interesting development.

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    @Hutan she writes that she got a reply in a few hours, so it might be that her request landed on the desk of someone else than the people that have allowed Arroll to promote LP?
     
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    Yes, I wondered that. I wrote a letter to the RNZCGP in 2023, and, despite several followups and communications with the personal assistant to make sure it was received, I'm still waiting for a reply. I sent another one last night to find out what is going on.
     
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    I believe Nina also usually shares her letters and the responses, so I wonder if it means anything that she didn’t this time?
     
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    It seems to be the exact same text that she sent to Dr. Raman Kumar at the editorial office of the journal that published the ‘audit’. The text highlighted how it wasn’t an audit at all.

    Which makes it possible that they withdrew their endorsement based on this flaw rather than that topic of LP.
     
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    I do wonder what is going on behind the closed doors of the RNZCGP....

    Many members follow the NICE guidelines (eg my GP is the clinical director of about 20 GPs for her primary health care clinic and we have discussed briefly my concerns about the CME conference and Bruce's promotion of LP). Whether complaints from ME clients about him filter through to the college is unclear. Advocates here write letters of complaints and we have a doctor based at the Wellington, University of Otago, Department of General Practice who does good education based on the NICE guidelines. This department seems very different to the University of Auckland which is now collaborating publicly with it's Dept of Psychological Medicine (which has a long history of promoting psychosomatic theories for ME and other illnesses.

    Nina's letter and the RNZCGP's response is the first time I have seen them show some sort of repudiation of Bruce's work. But I doubt NZ Doctor will publicly state they have removed the CME credits and why...
    (NZ Doctor is not a medical journal or newsletter produced by the RNZCGP. It is a subscription based publication written by a team of journalists for primary health care providers and has also interviewed Mel Abbott in the past promoting her LP derived "neuroplasticity" scam treatment for ME/CFS - The Switch.)

    I know wonder if RNZCGP are pushing back on Bruce by removing the CME points and I wonder if that will also mean they will no longer support his promotion of LP at the CME conferences he runs out of his Goodfellow Unit at Auckland University. I am hoping they are aware they have a Professor of General Practice down the LP rabbit hole (well, two, if you count Mel's efforts on the one in Dunedin...)
     
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