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Jarred Younger: 074 - New study: Pyridostigmine may help ME/CFS muscle weakness
Summary: Brain Inflammation Patterns in ME/CFS Patients (Video Transcript)
0:00 — Introduction: Exploring Brain Inflammation Data
The speaker begins by describing a Sunday research session in the laboratory. They have been analyzing MRI and PET scans from participants with ME/CFS (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome). The images visualize neuroinflammation by using a tracer, 11FPA-714, which binds to activated microglia. Brighter red areas indicate higher inflammatory activity. By examining these scans, the researcher aims to understand where inflammation occurs in the brain and whether it follows specific patterns.
1:52 — Baseline: Healthy Control Example
The first scan shown is from a healthy control subject. As expected, there is minimal neuroinflammatory activity, with only faint background signals caused by resting microglia. This example serves as a baseline for comparison with ME/CFS patients.
2:18 — Pattern 1: Localized Bilateral Inflammation
In the first ME/CFS case, the inflammation appears as distinct, symmetrical hot spots in the amygdala and hippocampus—areas crucial for emotion and memory. Additional activity is seen in the periaqueductal gray (PAG), a region involved in pain modulation and anxiety responses. The researcher speculates that this pattern might be linked to symptoms such as anxiety and widespread musculoskeletal pain, similar to fibromyalgia.
3:35 — Pattern 2: Widespread Brain Inflammation
The second group of ME/CFS scans shows diffuse inflammation throughout the gray matter, meaning nearly all neuron cell bodies exhibit inflammatory activity. Although this inflammation is less intense than in localized cases, its widespread presence might lead to many mild-to-moderate symptoms across cognitive, sensory, and emotional domains. The overall impact may still be significant due to the cumulative burden of numerous symptoms.
5:00 — Pattern 3: Brainstem and Thalamic Involvement
The third group shows intense inflammation centered in the thalamus, midbrain, pons, and brainstem. This pattern closely resembles results from an earlier ME/CFS PET study by Dr. Nakatomi (over 10 years ago). Even though the inflammation is localized, the affected regions are essential for nearly all brain functions, potentially leading to widespread symptoms and post-exertional malaise (PEM).
6:06 — Reflections and Next Steps
The researcher emphasizes that these are preliminary observations, not formal hypotheses. Further analysis—linking imaging data with symptom reports and performing statistical testing—may alter the current groupings before publication. The video aims to reveal the messy, iterative process of scientific discovery, rather than the polished final version found in papers.
7:00 — Conclusion: Evidence Supporting the Inflammation Hypothesis
The preliminary findings support the hypothesis that ME/CFS involves brain inflammation. The researcher plans to continue analyzing data, finish a separate brain lactate paper, and provide future updates as more insights emerge from this ongoing investigation.
Jarred Younger: 077 - Seeing what I see: brain inflammation
ETA AI summary:
I agree. If the pseudo-coloring of the inflammation vis a vis the control holds, it would leave no doubt about the microglial activation. We'll just wait and see what the peer reviewers say.If what Younger presents in this video holds up then this is absolutely huge.
I think there's some confusion due to a mistake in the AI summary. He's describing dextro-naltrexone, not dextrorphan (and also not dextro-naloxone). Dextro-naltrexone is the mirror molecule of the commonly used low dose naltrexone.
He does seem pretty convinced. But I’ve seen plenty of researchers spend years on something that was very clearly a dead end in hindsight, but they had just enough noisy data to see what they wanted to see. More than I can count, really. Publishing the data proving chronic microglial activation would be a necessary step before asking for public funding for a trial.Sounds like he's pretty convinced neuroinflammation is the cause of ME/CFS and others. $5m may be a pittance in this age of billions and unicorns, but you have to have some conviction to move forward with the project that requires committing years of effort and fund raising to develop the compound.
That's my thought. And my guess is that he feels pretty confident about the paper he is about to publish. I'd contribute myself if the paper pans out -- a chance at being able to jog 4x150m without crashing the next day will be worth substantial sum to me. He's asking donation to fabricate the compound, and get it approved, btw. He'll have to have the compound before he can trial.Publishing the data proving chronic microglial activation would be a necessary step before asking for public funding for a trial.
Publishing the data proving chronic microglial activation would be a necessary step before asking for public funding for a trial.
Not yet, he said he needs to finish his paper on lactate first. But they have published a similar paper on FMS about a year (?) ago and it doesn't appear to have made a definitive impact. The inflammation for ME/CFS that he showed on the video appears a lot more wide-spread and definitive than those for FMS though. I guess we'll have to wait and see.Has he submitted the paper for peer review yet?
I’m really confused by this video. LPS are structures on the outside of bacteria that immune cells recognize during bacterial infections through TLRs. This is just a model of immune response to actual bacterial infection.
And as far as I knew, all the PET tracers for “activated microglia” had serious interpretational problems. None of them were actually for cytokines so it’s just using a certain protein as a proxy for a “activated” phenotype that is itself a big oversimplified category. Has he provided any details for how “activation” was determined?
Another video stating activated microglia as fact without data, though this time he lets slip only 35% of people with ME/CFS have (according to him) activated microglia. If this is his new results I’m unimpressed. Also in what world is injecting endotoxin the same as ME/CFS.
How many more videos is he going to make on his imaging that he isn’t making public, while stating this as fact. I’m convinced he’s posting weekly for the YouTube algorithm.