News from Scandinavia

Discussion in 'Regional news' started by Kalliope, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    What is missing is a demonstrable pathological tissue damage.

    And always will be missing if the basic research is not done, which it has not been so far.

    I wonder who benefits from that?

    Hint: Not patients.
     
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    mango Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Somebody asked me to add this quote as well:
     
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    Many elderly people were administered morphine instead of oxygen despite available supplies, effectively ending their lives.

    o_O
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Basically the Swedish strategy in a nutshell:
    And the number of public health officers and other officials who have said that they'd also follow that strategy in the future says a lot about where public health is heading. Just like in evidence-based medicine, they pursued a race to the bottom and the bottom has won.
     
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    An article in the news today about an often used treatment for shoulder issues (calcium deposits specifically) that it turns out might not be very helpful.

    I specifically noted that at six months there were no difference between treatment and control groups (two types of sham treatment). Sounds familiar?

    Popular treatment for shoulder pain turns out not to work

    Edit: Thread on the study here:
    Ultrasound guided lavage with corticosteroid injection versus sham lavage for calcific tendinopathy of shoulder: RCT, 2023, Moosmayer et al
     
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    Follow up to this, it has been revealed that the wife has been institutionalised and spent time in rehabilitation and treatment travels and apparently she applied to an exception to avoid to pay a tax when selling her home (the rule is that you have to pay tax unless you have lived in the house/apartment/etc for the majority of the last two years). The exception she applied for is called a "brukshindring" which translates to "something that makes you unable to use". An example of this could be needing to be institutionalised or suddenly needing a wheelchair when the home cannot accomodate it.

    I wonder if this can set a precedence for other pwME if it the application was accepted, that would also mean that the tax office sees ME as a debilitating illness. At least they would seem abmle to look at the symptoms not just see the diagnosis and go "not serious enough".

    The defense chief's wife with new information in the housing case
     
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  10. mango

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    Video recordings from the ME conference in Stockholm 11 October, hosted by RME, have now been published on YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/@rmesverige1475/videos

    This conference was arranged in collaboration with organisations from Norway, Denmark and Finland (doesn't say what orgs).

    You can order "material from the conference" here (doesn't say what kind of material):
    https://rme.nu/forskning/konferenser/
     
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  11. mango

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    (Not ME)

    There was a really good article about a pwPOTS in a Swedish local paper last week.

    Umeåstudenten Emilia drabbades av mystisk sjukdom – svimmade fem gånger om dagen
    https://www.folkbladet.nu/2023-10-2...sk-sjukdom-svimmade-fem-ganger-om-dagen-6f193
     
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    Virusläkaren experimenterar på svårt sjuka: ”Han måste stoppas”
    https://www.etc.se/inrikes/viruslaekaren-experimenterar-paa-svaart-sjuka-han-maaste-stoppas

    Google Translate, English.
    ETC Instagram post about the article here, and Facebook post here, for those of you who want to read the comments.

    (Edited to add more auto-translated quotes.)
     
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  13. Kalliope

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    Thank you for the information and the background story @mango
    What a mess :(

    I'm so sorry Swedish patients lost their care at Stora Sköndalen which seemed serious and evidence based and a good start for a development of ME health care. At least that was my impression.

    And now it's just chaos, it seems. Do you think this is connected to the closing down of other private clinics with an offer for ME patients? There seems to have been no quality control of these offers? And now someone are trying to put together something from the scratch to offer ME patients within the public health care, just a few years after they closed Store Sköndalen. Maddening!
     
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    Finally some promising news from Denmark!
    The Minister of Health, Sophie Løhde says it's clear that ME patients feel they are not met in a good way in the health care system, and she is now funding a review of the latest international research into ME in order to see if the patients group can be helped in a better way.


    TVsyd Nu er der et lys i Marie Louises mørke tilværelse
    For some reason the link didn't go through automatic translation into English..
     
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    I hope your ME Associations will get a say in all this. It's easy for bad researchers to distort this process if given an opportunity.
     
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  17. Anna H

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    Thank you @mango for all the background information!:) Even though I am part of the Swedish ME Community I have been out of the loop for a while. Appreciate this update a lot!

    Oh, that is interesting news!

    Is the patient organisation condemning the IVO investigations? That is odd! Where do they do that? I am not a member anymore either, for the same reasons.

    Where can one read this blog post?

    I wholeheartedly agree that this hero/savior narrative is prevalent and toxic, and I would say rather narcissistic at its core. What is most disheartening is that it seems to have taken over within the patient organisation.
    It is very sad indeed:(
     
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  18. mango

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    Thank you, yes Stora Sköndal was a big loss for the whole Swedish ME community :(

    I honestly have no idea if this is connected to the closing down of other private clinics. I don't know what's happening behind the scenes, I haven't even heard any rumours. As usual nowadays the patient organisation RME doesn't share any information openly about their work, so I don't know if they have been or are involved in any way at all.

    Absolutely maddening, yes :grumpy:

    There's a news article from the Gothenburg area earlier this week, that says similar things are happening on the west coast now too. (However, in the case of Smärthjälpen, a privat clinic in Mölndal, I think it might be a good thing since they have a BPS approach.)

    ME-sjuka Marita i Hindås oroas av förändringar inom vården
    https://www.harrydaposten.se/nyhete...m-varden.68c9d896-a62b-442f-a5bc-a0622ff88185

    It's a good article, worth a read. :thumbsup:
    Google Translate, English
     
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    Is there a connection to Red labo of De Meirleir in Belgium?
     
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  20. mango

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    No, not that I know of.
     

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