NICE and Cochrane sign collaborative agreement to deliver ‘living’ guideline recommendations

However, I noticed he's not hosting the next talk, either.

 

yes. could have been a coincidence I suppose.

I have written to the webinar address, as invited (see below), and asked when the recording will be available. And also if they could send me the text of my question which wasn't asked. I never remember to screenshot or save the questions I ask at these things!

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Gillians video is now up, guideline discussion starts 38 mins. Direct link to start here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4p4pWxIpfY

 

Her account seems very fair and reasonable but I do think it is a pity that she focuses again on this re herring of different things suiting different people and choice. I would have preferred it if, now that the guideline is out and has been successfully defended, she had put the emphasis on supporting her committee chairman, Peter Barry, and said simply 'I think we got it right because we stuck to the evidence'.

What the modern world needs is people in charge to whom it matters that we get things right, not that everyone is happy.

 

Hi,
got a response to another of my FOIs re meetings held between NICE & Cochrane:
"Dear Xxxx,

Reference No: EH-320401-Y1Y2R1

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 2000

Thank you for contacting the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) with your request for information, sent to our office on 6 January 2022.



The Freedom of Information Act 2000 relates to recorded information held by a public authority, at the time that the request is made. I explained when I acknowledged your request that, as the article you directed to pertains to the collaboration agreement between NICE and Cochrane, we will search our records for information relating to this. I have listed your questions below and answered each one in turn.

1. The minutes of any meetings held between NICE and Cochrane.

NICE met with Cochrane 3 times, on 10 March 2021, 23 June 2021, and 8 September 2021, to discuss the collaboration agreement. Minutes of these meetings are attached.



Please note we have redacted the name of the minute taker in the attached as disclosure would contravene one of the data protection principles. In such circumstances sections 40(2) and (3) of the Freedom of Information Act apply. In this case, our view is that disclosure would breach the first data protection principle. This states that personal data should be processed fairly and lawfully. It is the fairness aspect of this principle, which, in our view, would be breached by disclosure. In such circumstances, section 40 confers an absolute exemption on disclosure. There is, therefore, no public interest test to apply. We have therefore redacted this information from the document provided in our response.

1. The agenda for any such meetings.

The agendas for the meetings of 10 March 2021, 23 June 2021, and 8 September are attached.



Please note we have redacted the name of the minute taker in the attached as disclosure would contravene one of the data protection principles. In such circumstances sections 40(2) and (3) of the Freedom of Information Act apply. In this case, our view is that disclosure would breach the first data protection principle. This states that personal data should be processed fairly and lawfully. It is the fairness aspect of this principle, which, in our view, would be breached by disclosure. In such circumstances, section 40 confers an absolute exemption on disclosure. There is, therefore, no public interest test to apply. We have therefore redacted this information from the document provided in our response.

1. The email or other communication which arranged any such meetings.

Please see attached document titled ‘Meetings for Nichole’.



Please note we have redacted the names in the attached as disclosure would contravene one of the data protection principles. In such circumstances sections 40(2) and (3) of the Freedom of Information Act apply. In this case, our view is that disclosure would breach the first data protection principle. This states that personal data should be processed fairly and lawfully. It is the fairness aspect of this principle, which, in our view, would be breached by disclosure. In such circumstances, section 40 confers an absolute exemption on disclosure. There is, therefore, no public interest test to apply. We have therefore redacted this information from the document provided in our response.

1. A list of dates of any such meetings.

10 March 2021

23 June 2021

8 September 2021

1. Any contracts and or service level agreements that exist between NICE and Cochrane.

Please find attached word documents titled ‘2021-08-11 NICE_Cochrane Collaboration Agreement and Licence Unpublished Data SIGNED – redacted’. Please note we have redacted the signatures in the attached as disclosure would contravene one of the data protection principles. In such circumstances sections 40(2) and (3) of the Freedom of Information Act apply. In this case, our view is that disclosure would breach the first data protection principle.



This states that personal data should be processed fairly and lawfully. It is the fairness aspect of this principle, which, in our view, would be breached by disclosure. In such circumstances, section 40 confers an absolute exemption on disclosure. There is, therefore, no public interest test to apply. We have therefore redacted this information from the document provided in our response.



I hope this is useful to you. If you have any questions on this response you are welcome to email the enquiry handling team at nice@nice.org.uk.



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Kind regards



Katy



Katy

Communications Executive"

I'll post the attachment when I get that technical issue sorted!
@Caroline Struthers - Michiel has posted the documents provided by NICE re meetings with Cochrane

@Michiel Tack

 

Here are the documents Francis received and asked me to upload here on S4ME
(EDIT: haven't looked at these myself)

 

Thanks Michiel -much appreciated.

 

somehow I missed all this until today -will download and read asap!