Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

Don’t be daft! only bad vibes cause problems but good vibes don’t solve them? Pffft.

 

Has Fiona been silenced as well or is it just Paul?

 

And some don't even get that far " sleep hygiene" knocks then for six .

 

Ah I used to be mild. I was in that sweet spot of being diagnosed, had the treatment, was still working, got worse then got told I wasn’t nearly sick enough to have ME, just depressed or something.

 

Is she describing 'stop' and visualisaton techniques - the Lightening Process?


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Yes, Francesca Steele did Lightning Process. I'll make that clear in the post.

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Does anyone know the exact date that Paul Garner started his ‘mind therapy’ I think it was late October 2020 but need to know for sure as am giving information to a Journalist. As Garner was emailing me prior to this date saying he was walking 5 km daily and that he had started riding a bicycle. also that he “didn’t have problems” with “pushing through” i’ve got those emails still but I need the date he flip-flopped into pseudoscience mind-therapy. as well prove he is lying through his teeth

 

Yes I know people who saw him exercising regularly, in public, around July onwards. He was doing more than 5k.
When did he go scuba diving and catch Dengue fever? October?

 

@Brendan Rob

Do a search for "bmj Paul Garner". He wrote a few articles/blogs in which he wrote about his experience with Covid and Long Covid, and they might help you to pin it down.

Here is one of them but there were several more.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/05/0...ith-the-constantly-shifting-bizarre-symptoms/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/10/long-covid-hope-recovery-symptoms

 

Curious how Steele's story changed over the course of four months. Archive links:

Times article (November 2022) | Earlier Telegraph article (July 2022)

In the earlier article, she describes a wide variety of interventions, from slightly quackish to entirely quackish including antihistamines, brain retraining courses, low-dose naltrexone, "biodynamic touch" therapy and hyperbaric oxygen, and says that "[a] few months on, I am getting better – about 80 per cent back to my old self. . . [m]ost of it helped a little. . . I now feel time is the missing ingredient to getting me to 100 per cent well, which luckily comes free" and said that she had improved to "about 80 per cent"; in the later article she is at "80-90 per cent".

 

Hi, I'm new here. I've been lurking for a while. I hope to contribute to other discussions over time. I used to have M.E (for many years). I don't now so maybe have a different perspective to some here.

Please don't do this (talking to a journalist about PG). You can if you want to but I would ask you please not to.

There is arguing with the science you don't agree with and there is behaviour like this. What do you feel will be achieved? Many people with M.E have varying symptoms over time (sometimes over months but sometimes in one day). That is used to tell people their symptoms aren't real, when that isn't the case. So don't go out there getting a journalist on side to say PG's symptoms varied. What will that achieve? By trying to discredit someone's personal story, you risk turning more people against the community. Who are you to say what PG experienced or didn't experienced, anyway - you might not want to hear that but its the truth, just as some others have differences in their symptoms and don't understand why but have a right to be respected as being unwell.

If you do this, it feeds into the idea that people with M.E are out to get researchers. You risk actually putting others off in case they put a foot out of line and also have their lives dug into.

Ad hominems are made by people who are losing a debate. Don't play that game. Very disappointed the charities aren't putting out a clearer message about this to prevent harm being done.

 

I think they’re speaking to a journalist about how what he was doing in real life was different to the story he gave in the press. Which is something widely discussed at the time locally, as he was publicly doing lots of exercise.

 

Hi @Friendswithme.

I disagree with your analysis. (You are probably aware that I am a professor of medicine.) Paul Garner's behaviour has been absolutely terrible. The level of hypocrisy is astonishing. He is supposed to be an expert on evidence quality in medicine yet is prepared to tag his name to almost anything that denigrates people with ME/CFS, however appallingly bad the evidence.

A clear demonstration that Garner's story of so-called recovery from mind-body intervention is inconsistent seems to me entirely legitimate. Garner has been trying to make use of his personal story from a position of authority as if it was scientific evidence when he above anyone should know that he should not do that.

The behaviour of the ME/CFS community has not deterred any good researchers. It has finally pushed out a lot of very bad research and good researchers are increasingly signing on and quite a few are members here - including of course Professor Ponting, who became interested because of the plight of someone who has long been a member here and part of the campaign for good science rather than rubbish psychology.

 

There is a very important confusion going on here.
Nobody will be suggesting that Garner did not experience what he experienced.
What is suggested is that Garner's belief in the reason for his recovery is likely to be baseless because it does not fit even the facts in his case.

 

Nobody here is arguing with science. Dr Garner's opinions about ME are a belief system, though, which is a different thing.

Please don't believe that old meme, nobody is being put off going into ME research. There are loads of good new researchers going into the field. The only thing 'putting them off' is lack of funding!