'Recovery Is Possible: Lessons in ‘ME/CFS’ Recovery from YouTube [Goldsmiths]

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New UK study reveals widespread ME/CFS recovery but almost entirely outside the health system.​


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Analysis of 75 recovery accounts found a consistent pathway to improvement raising concerns that NHS messaging and standard treatments may be holding patients back.

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Many people diagnosed with ME/CFS are being told they will never recover.  But a new UK study entitled Recovery is Possible, suggests something very different is happening.

Research from Goldsmiths, University of London analysing 75 in-depth recovery interviews found that recovery and major improvement were taking place largely outside standard medical care. The social and cultural themes associated with recovery suggest that improvement is common but invisible to a healthcare system responsible for patient care.

Drawn from hundreds of recovery stories online, the sample — representing more than 600 cumulative years of illness — consists of people who have regained their health with most experiencing the complete resolution of their chronic symptoms.
None of the interviewees reported recovering within a conventional NHS-style treatment pathway.

The study draws on recovery interviews published on a major online platform, combined with structured participant data.  Rather than testing a single intervention, the research identifies recurring patterns across lived experience — how illness develops, how recovery happens, and what role medicine plays in both.

The sample reflecting typical ME/CFS demographics was predominantly female with UK and North American participants diagnosed with ME/CFS (63%) and Long COVID (31%).  

What emerges is not a set of isolated anecdotes, but a consistent and striking picture.

One of the study’s most powerful findings concerns patients’ encounters with medical professionals. Across the dataset 64% describe negative or dismissive clinical interactions, 24% were told they would not recover and 36% were told there was nothing doctors could do.

For many this treatment was a defining moment in their illness. “They said, ‘this is you now — this is forever,’” one participant to the research said. “I thought I’d get treatment. Instead, I was told to learn to live with it,” said another.
Patients describe a long diagnostic journey, with one seeing 30 doctors. For most, several doctors’ appointments only led to being given normal test results, little or no explanation and a prognosis of chronic lifetime illness.  The emotional impact was profound: “I was so defeated from day one… it messed with my mind,” said one participant. “That was when I got worse — after I was told there was no way out.”

These encounters are not just unhelpful, but may be actively harmful, reinforcing fear and hopelessness at a critical stage of illness, the research found. Around 1 in 5 participants reported suicidal thoughts, with some describing attempts.

What stands out is that this “rock bottom” was not driven by symptoms alone — but by what patients were told about their future. “If I’m never going to get better, why would I stay alive?” “It wasn’t just the illness — it was the idea that this was my life forever.”

Despite these experiences, recovery narratives showed remarkably consistent patterns. Across the 75 cases 58 describe themselves as recovered, 17 report significant improvement and 100% believed recovery was possible.

No single treatment explains these outcomes. Instead, recovery appears to follow a multi-factored process:
A shift in belief — and a turning point
Nearly all participants describe a moment where their outlook changed. 95% linked their recovery to a change in mindset while 80% describe a conscious decision to recover. This is not described as “thinking yourself better”, but as a shift that allows people to act differently.
A different understanding of the illness
95% adopt a “mind–body” or nervous system model where they move from seeing the illness as fixed and irreversible to something that physiological but changeable linked to stress, fear, and dysregulation. “I realised my body wasn’t broken — it was stuck,” a research participant said. “That gave me hope, and hope changed what I did.”
Recovery as an “ecology” of practices
Critically no single intervention consistently led to recovery, but instead it   emerged from combinations of practices, often after trial and error.   Participants used a wide range of approaches with diet (61%) supplements (51%) meditation (55%+) featuring high along with therapy (40%). The effects of these approaches look inconsistent when understood in isolation from one another and from mindset.
Despite its prominence in clinical guidance only 48% of participants identified pacing or movement as part of their recovery and fewer still described it as central. While pacing was described as too rigid, many participants describe cultivating an individual approach towards movement that was helpful. This challenges assumptions about current treatment models. In patient accounts, some form of movement was seen as important to many, but the medical model of pacing was viewed as too limited.

Other participants reported that strict pacing reinforced illness identity, limited improvements or kept then “stuck”. “Pacing just reduced my life… it didn’t help me get better.”
The interview with participants reveals consistently what they say helped their recovery with 85% citing nervous system regulation- through breathwork, meditation and emotional work being a major contribution. Reducing fear and uncertainty - often cited by participants as a driver of their symptoms – was also claimed. Participants also said that understanding their illness helped them to improve. Recovery was also closely linked to participants regaining a sense of agency.

Commenting on the implications of the research study, Goldsmiths Dr Sarah Cefai said:

This is first systematic analysis of a large body of recovery accounts showing that recovery does happen at scale, outside of the medical system and that critically medical messaging maybe impeding recovery.

Dr Sarah Cefai, Senior Lecturer Gender and Cultural Studies
The research study cautions against definitive claims that patients will not recover as well as calling for the integration of the evidence of recovery into NHS guidance along with patient support to access credible information and peer support.

“Belief in recovery was the universal among those who got better,” Dr Cefai said. “Withholding that possibility maybe one of the most damaging aspects of current care.
“What we tell patients matters. In conditions where medicine has limited answers, removing hope may worsen outcomes and recognising recovery may be one of the most powerful interventions available.”
 
This is crazy. Many of these people don't have ME/CFS, never had it, and some don't even claim to have had it. As noted above: I have watched dozens of the videos on Raelen's channel. Raelan does not think ME/CFS is a discrete illness. She lumps everything together: ME/CFS, long covid, fibromyalgia, stress/burnout, chronic fatigue....and the people being interviewed are often self-diagnosed.
 
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Some thoughts on the “stated goals” of the study as said in the information sheet
(each bullet point in italic is a stated goal — and the indented paragraph is my thoght)

• ⁠Offer a critical appraisal of the validity of the "5%" recovery rate whose basis in research lacks sufficient rigour from a social and cultural perspective.
How the hell is taking a cherry picked sample of 150 people who have recovered from an illness that affects tens of millions supposed to tell anything about that 5% stat. I could just aswell have analysed interviews of everyone who’se walked on the moon and said that it means that there are probably more people who walked on the moon than initially thought.​

• Offer an account of "what works" according to the steps taken by people who have recovered.
Her study offers an account of “what works” according to stories promoted and crafted by companies trying to sell products​

• Give patient recovery stories their due in peer reviewed academic research through publication and wider narrative dissemination
This is a terrible way of doing this due to the point above. Even sharing a registration form online asking for people who have recovered from ME/CFS would have provided a much less biased cohort (and that cohort would still be extremely biased). The only way to properly do this is to take a group of people with ME/CFS and revisit that group in x amount of time and speak to those who recovered​

• Promote lessons learned from recovery in the ME/CFS clinical setting and medical
community

This is extremely worrying because the “lessons learned” are cherry picked for profit advertisments of buisnesses. I think the word fraudulent is adequate here.​


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That was a chore. The link didn't work ;)

I've emailed Dr Pentaris :)
Nightsong said:
On this page, about half-way down, there's a name & email address for the chair of Goldsmiths' Research Ethics Committee:


I emailed Dr Pentaris back in 2024. I cannot find any response.
 
63% describe a detrimental conversation with a doctor (27% were told that they ‘would not recover’; 36% were told there was ‘nothing they (doctor or patient) could do’)

3%. were told by a general practitioner that they would recover from their chronic illness
The first numbers seem very high and the second seem very low compared to what I guess most people with ME/CFS get to hear. My impression is that physicians try to be at least vaguely encouraging.

Maybe being told they "would not recover" is an important component in what made these people recover...? :emoji_thinking:
 

The MEA says the journalist did a 20 minute interview with CS in relation to this article.

The ME Association explained to the iPaper that the Goldsmiths University Report appears to be making unsubstantiated claims about “cures” for ME/CFS and Long Covid based on “mind-body” therapies, relaxation techniques and “brain retraining”.
The charity said people in the report may not have had confirmed diagnoses of ME/CFS or Long Covid, and could have had chronic fatigue from other causes.
The ME Association questioned the report’s reliability because it has not been published in a medical journal or peer reviewed.
The charity also noted that Dr Shepherd’s 20-minute interview and discussion was shortened for the article, meaning not all information provided to the journalist has been shared.
 
What's ironic is that it perfectly contradicts the entire psychobehavioral assertions. Even ignoring that it's been known for a long time that recovery is common, mostly early, and how Long Covid made that crystal clear, they talk of standard medical pathways, which are dominated by the CBT/GET paradigm, being irrelevant, even though "brain retraining" is essentially the same thing.

The only reason things continue to be a complete mess is that facts are irrelevant. This is about stories and myths. The facts have completely invalidated everything, and it just doesn't matter. It's like playing chess with a pigeon, in the end it'll just knock out all the pieces and poop on the board.
 
I have only watch this video and the community summary, but one thing that stands out is it is highly selective and evangelical:
In addition to the good questions that Peter T lists in that post, there is another. How many of the people claiming recovery recovered in the first years after becoming ill? We know recovery from ME/CFS is very common in the first two years, more common than not.

I am actually in agreement with these evangelists that it would be better if the high recovery rates in early years was better known and reported. It would probably reduce despair and reduce the chance of people attributing their recovery to their superior mindset and whatever treatment they were trying at the time. It would make people less vulnerable to the sorts of ideas pushed by that report.

What stands out is that this “rock bottom” was not driven by symptoms alone — but by what patients were told about their future. “If I’m never going to get better, why would I stay alive?” “It wasn’t just the illness — it was the idea that this was my life forever.”
I think this comment might say something about some of the people in this study reporting recovery. If the alternative is suicide, that's a powerful incentive to reinterpret the person's current state, not as ill health, but as a choice of another way of life. I suspect some of the people claiming recovery have just stopped their busy (normal) lifestyle and accepted a slower, less active life, interpreting that as a good thing.

Dr Sarah Cefai, Senior Lecturer Gender and Cultural Studies
The research study cautions against definitive claims that patients will not recover as well as calling for the integration of the evidence of recovery into NHS guidance along with patient support to access credible information and peer support.
It seems to me that this is the sort of report insurance medicine and govt welfare organisations want. Being able to suggest that recovery is possible, that ME/CFS/LC is not almost certainly a life long condition if the person wants to recover enough makes it possible to deny insurance claims. Getting that sort of message into government advice would be powerful.

It would be interesting to 'follow the money' - where did the funding come from, and who funds the funders?
 
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