Renegade Research

What is their role in this?
Renegade Research on Twitter



"SIGNAL is led by Tess Falor, PhD (@tessfalor) as Project Director; Todd Davenport, DPT, PhD, MPH (@sunsopeningband) & Maya Lindemann, RN, BSN (@mayalongcovid) as Co-PIs; Jarred Younger, PhD as Advisor; John Haughton, MD, MS (@doc4care) as Medical Advisor and Rivka Solomon, MS (@Rivkatweets) as Advisor"
 
Renegade Research on Twitter
re involvement of Davenport and Younger

Thank you. Yes, that really is disappointing. It just takes reading the abstract of the recent Vielight study to see that there is probably nothing there, and half an hour with the paper itself to confirm that.

We haven't got into the other device, Truvaga, yet, but we have looked at vagus nerve stimulation in general, and there doesn't seem much to recommend that for ME/CFS and related conditions.
 
IT may fall on deaf ears but I plan to email Solve, I donated early on as a few years ago I was hopeful for rapamycin. Not to bash them but just to ask if they see something that we don’t. Thoughts? If anything I’d want someone to tell me I’m making a mistake so I could evaluate myself.
 

Deadline tomorrow.

"Patients to Researchers: Lived Experience Research Roundtable" Application​


Renegade Research will be hosting a live Zoom webinar on August 14.

6-8 patients with ME/CFS, Long COVID, or related conditions will present 5 minute medical histories (such as diagnoses, onset, progression, test results, treatment responses, etc.) directly to researchers.

This is a research-focused event (not a support group or general discussion) designed to surface clinically relevant patient experiences that can inform research studies.

The patient speakers can screen share to present images or slides to help illustrate their points. This additional material is not required, but is encouraged.

Application deadline: Friday, July 24

Patients who are selected will be notified by Friday, July 31.

Depending how this goes we may do more in the future and/or post what you write on our website (with your permission.)
 
I listened to the Renegade Research webinar about an informal observational study on Truvaga and the forthcoming SIGNAL project (which is, as far as I can see, another informal observational study on Truvaga, but also the red-light therapy Vielight.

It was recorded and will be uploaded to the Renegade Research website

I was trying to do other things while listening, so there are a few gaps.

Rivka Solomon is part of Renegade Research. She says that she had a good response to Truvaga, she seems to be part of the reason it has been pushed so strongly. She noted that she has bought shares in the Truvaga company, only a small amount. For sure, she genuinely believes in the product. She thinks it has improved things for her by about 25% although it doesn't prevent crashes.
Tess Fallor of Renegade has also used it and was saying positive things.

There was this initial 'informal observational study'. 13 of the 20 people who started it completed the 5 week trial. 9/20 reported side effects.

Two participants in this study were on the webinar:
Giovanni reported that maybe he improved by 25% but he noted that some of the improvement might have been due to other things. When later asked if he was still using it, he said that he had used it a bit more through the lending library (that seems to give people free use for 3 months), but that he wasn't using it now. So, that would seem to suggest that Truvaga wasn't life-changing for him, or even worth the $500 less discount that a unit would have cost him.
Malcolm kept getting crashes and becoming irritable and so he discontinued use of the unit.

Both men were asked several times how it all was for them, and they said they enjoyed being part of the study. I try to keep an open mind about all sorts of treatments until there is evidence to discount them. I think these outcomes are pretty telling, as it seems Renegade Research tried to pick someone who was a 'responder' (Giovanni) and someone for whom it didn't work. Rivka apparently checked in with all the participants on the trial regularly, so I imagine there was some bias when the participants filled out the surveys - she so clearly wants people to be better on Truvaga. If you watch it, you will see the two men trying so hard to say positive things, and you can see Giovanni taking a breath before admitting that he's not still using Truvaga.

Jessica Maya of Solve ME spoke briefly and enthusiastically , saying SolveME was really really pleased to be funding the forthcoming SIGNAL project, praising the translational patient-centred approach.

Liisa Selin reported on immune cells changes. I missed whose blood was sampled, I think it was two people who did the Truvaga treatment for months, presumably responders? From the bit I saw, it seemed that some things went up in one person and went down in the other. If both felt that they were better at the end than at the beginning, it is possible that there was some natural improvement. Any good changes would not necessarily be due to Truvaga.

I didn't get the impression that Liisa thought that much of Truvaga. She said that she tried it herself, but she got severe muscle cramps and had to stop. However she said that she had been hypothyroid at the time. She felt that Truvaga alone would not be enough and it would need to be supplemented with another immunomodulator and an 'anti pathogen reagent' (?). She seems to be a fan of Inspiratol.

Liisa raised a concern about high blood pressure, due to noticing that blood pressure increases with it. Peter Staats, the Truvaga man, said that there had been a big trial in Europe in healthy people and that people with high blood pressure had seen it lower and that people with normal blood pressure had had no change. However, then people seemed to realise that they had to back peddle a bit, and there was suggestions of 'working with your doctor'. Tess Fallor said that maybe they would send a blood pressure cuff out with the device in the SIGNAL trial so that people could self-monitor.

Peter Staats noted that 'some of these companies' ...pause... tuts...'are fraudulent. There is no science behind what they say, just slick marketing.' He clearly believes in his product. He mentioned that he worries that there might be some interference with pacemakers, that worries him a bit. I wonder if Renegade had thought about managing that issue.

I asked two questions in the chat, neither of my questions were read out. One was about whether they had concerns about bias with that trial structure, and I mentioned the radically different results from the MitoQ trial that had one arm blinded with a placebo and another arm open label. Another one was whether they had concerns about promoting the product to desperate people before there was any proof that it works.

Like I say, neither question was acknowledged but at the end Rivka said that they wanted to be very clear that this webinar was not promoting Truvaga. I find that naive - even if it is not intended to be a promotion of the product, it absolutely was. You can't have people influential in the ME/CFS community saying that they have got much better with a product, without it increasing interest in the product. There was a question about a discount code, and Rivka said there was no public discount code yet, but that they are working on it. Peter Staat's closing remarks were that Truvaga is 'a wellness device and not a medical device' and people should work with their doctor. Liisa Selin said that different things work for different people.

So, yeah. The webinar served to make me more skeptical about Renegade Research's ability to carry out a research study ethically and effectively and more convinced that Truvaga is not useful. I'm concerned that a lot of people are confusing action with progress.
 
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If we’re ever running a fundraising campaign for S4ME or anything the ad could be like:

Tired of shelling out for supplements that ‘seem to work’ for one month then never again?

Sick of treatments that ‘seem to help’ but the help never stack into a cure?

I was too. Then one day I found out about…
~ Falsifiable science ~
(music jingle plays)

Falsifiable science helps you find out which treatments work on other people with your illness. Falsifiable science can answer questions like “why am I still sick?” and “should I spend 2000 dollars on a hat with lights on the inside?”

Ask your doctor about falsifiable science today!

Warning: falsifiable science is not for everyone. Side effects include headaches, exasperation, null results and in rare cases, the provision of effective healthcare.
 
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I find it very disappointing to see the Solve ME/CFS Initiative funding such a poorly planned and uncontroled "study". I looked up the "Signal" study and it appears to anybody can apply to get access to use these devices. It does not appear to matter where you live. There seems to be no guidance on how the library owners decide who gets the devices for the 3 month trial period.


I am aghast that this study got past their Board of Directors or their Scientific Advisory Board.
 
If we’re ever running a fundraising campaign for S4ME or anything the ad could be like:

Tired of shelling out for supplements that ‘seem to work’ for one month then never again?

Sick of treatments that ‘seem to help’ but the help never stacks into a cure?

I was too. Then one day I found out about…
~ Falsifiable science ~
(music jingle plays)

Falsifiable science helps you find out which treatments work on other people with your illness. Falsifiable science can answer questions like “why am I still sick?” and “should I spend 2000 dollars on a hat with lights on the inside?”

Ask your doctor about falsifiable science today!

Warning: falsifiable science is not for everyone. Side effects include headaches, exasperation, null results and in rare cases, the provision of effective healthcare.
Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Maybe for the 10 year anniversary of the forum next year, we run this ad campaign? Could add on the line "Providing you with falsifiable science for 10 years!"
 
I asked two questions in the chat, neither of my questions were read out. One was about whether they had concerns about bias with that trial structure, and I mentioned the radically different results from the MitoQ trial that had one arm blinded with a placebo and another arm open label. Another one was whether they had concerns about promoting the product to desperate people before there was any proof that it works.

Well done for asking the questions anyway - at least some people will have read them and been nudged to think.
 
'Falsifiable Science' jingle
Oh, that’s a fun idea!
In the 70‘s there have been a couple of popular bands that used to stack voice tracks ad infinitum for a certain effect, e.g. Queen.
As a community we could do something similar if we manage to get 50 or so recordings from different pwMEs singing 'Falsifiable Science' to a certain melody.
The recordings wouldn’t have to be perfect at all.
With modern tools, pitch and timing are mere details.

I admire my carer’s musical abilities.
I could ask him if he could provide some musical ideas for a jingle, if there’s an interest to pursue this.
 
Liisa Selin said that different things work for different people.

The ME/CFS community needs to move on from this sort of talk.
Selin's comments are particularly disappointing.
Looning into the research and treatments for ME, I quickly got the impression that this silly saying about “different things work for different people” is only ever used to justify the pursuit of treatments that have zero evidence that they do work, while at the same time having evidence that it doesn't work at least for some people.

In the German speaking world these kind of sayings like "different things work for different people" or "it's very individual what works for which patient" is also very popular among Brain Retraining propagandists and other people who use it to justify the harm done through activating therapies in ME.
 
There are some real perverse incentives. I can see how some medics/researchers and charities end up here.

If you want to raise money or make money in the short term the model of constantly promising and never delivering mixed with a lack of clarity and talk of heterogeneity works. ‘Oh it’s all so complicated and you are so very special and unique so we’ll need 300 different combinations of treatments’ is a lot more attractive than ‘we don’t know’ or ‘this doesn’t work’ which is the reality of actually doing proper research.

People want stuff, they want stuff now and they are more likely to give money to people offering false hope than honest answers. Another og the many reasons why this needs to be funded by big government grants not constant charity fundraising from a pool of sick people.
 
Whatever happened to their original project, RemissionBiome (discussed here), and the funding they received for it? Seems like they just cashed it in (the only data that has been presented has been for 4 of out 5 "responders")?

They raised a very sizeable sum from patients and got funding from Balvi. Then there was a split between the two people running the organisation (commercial interests had been mentioned as a reason) and they started doing advertising for various companies and products for which they received kickbacks, but as far as I’m aware they never published anything or used the funding on patients as they had promised? Seemingly they've switched to offering evidence free health coaching to make money whilst still receiving commissions for the products they advertise.

Now they just keep on attracting funding and money from patients and organisations (such as Solve M.E.) without anything to show for it?
 
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People want stuff, they want stuff now and they are more likely to give money to people offering false hope than honest answers. Another og the many reasons why this needs to be funded by big government grants not constant charity fundraising from a pool of sick people.

Agree with you, it stinks, but I think the exuding of confidence goes a long way to persuading people even if it’s not backed up with results.
 
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