The Chrysalis Effect

The very concept of secondary gains is ridiculous. In America, the overall poverty rate is 12%, but 25% for people with disabilities. This is based on income alone; it doesn't consider that people with disabilities usually have extra expenses that may include OTC medication and supplements, doctors' visits not entirely covered by insurance, mobility equipment, transportation, home modifications for accessibility, and help doing daily activities.

Being accused of faking a disability is far more common than actually faking one.

 

Substitute ME/CFS in what she says with any other minority, equality issue, 'individual difference' ... along with her utter lack of any qualifications or experience (which she seems to have 'faked' or 'inferred' but never had .. which says it all really doesn't it about what kind of person does that) and really what category do we put her big speeches into. Does 'getting people to pay for it' make it not standing up in a crowded space preaching bigotry?

Along with the fact she clearly has little to actually offer, her marketing just focuses on dissing people so that when her nonsense does nothing what she is intending to blame it on them and not her as a faker with a fake treatment who just says unpleasant things about others having done nothing but cause harm all round? The idea people might be allowed to do this without consequences for free makes my skin crawl, the idea she is making dosh ... well she needs to be sued.

And it should be flagged a safeguarding issue re: what they are suggesting about vulnerable people and what it will cause for them in society.

And it needs to be done before the poentially vulnerable to cons ICB set-up that brings in signposting to 'other things' starts letting stuff like this through the door 'because it overlaps' and then simply rather than admitting they've been had and seeing it as a gosh lets get rid of it and find something better to spend the money on starts defending it just because of pride.

 

Elaine Wilkins actually suggests (implies) that borrowing money from relatives to pay for treatments is justified because you will recover 'if you do the work'. This is after goading the sick people by insisting that they get so much gain out of being sick that they don't even try to recover.



(Chrysalis Effect Summer Newsletter):

Elaine Wilkins: "I remember Liz Hancock saying, "what is it you are secretly glad you don't have to do anymore because of your illness?". It took a long while for the penny to drop that illness was a messenger and I had work to do. It demanded that I stop looking for a quick fix. I invested in the help I needed for thyroid adrenal, emotional work and body work. [I was on benefits, so I asked for financial help from family which I repaid when I recovered]



I do think that Elaine Wilkins' inciting sick/disabled people to borrow money to buy unproven commercial 'treatments' must cross some consumer protection line.

 

@bobbler and All - Elaine Wilkins doesn't only misinform and vilify sick people and sell them Chrysalis direct, she sells training courses 'Wellbeing coaching' and Specialist Practitioner Training' to alternative therapists who already have a client base. Wilkins sells her grotesque mischaracterisations of ME sufferers (who she says dont want to recover because they love their 'secondary gain' so much and have negative beliefs) to the Alternative Therapists she sells her Professional 'recovery courses to. Elaine says her system is "proven".




The Practitioners' Testimonials include (they are talking about ME and Fibro sufferers):

".. I now have an understanding of what works when and how to counter the negative beliefs they have"


"From a Business Perspective- I have seen a huge shift in my business through becoming a specialist. My clients commit to a minimum of six months with me and I now work with many ME/Fibro recoverers"


"I had never thought about targeting a health condition in this way..... By using a ‘step by step’ proven system to first build rapport with specialist understanding and to be able to offer a ‘plan of action’ which has worked for so many"

"It has become apparent to me that no one knows more about the illness than Chrysalis Effect. My clients are usually shocked at the amount of knowledge I have"






'The Chrysalis Effect Foundation Level Specialist Practitioner Training'

The Foundation Level Practitioner Training is a x 4 module course accredited by The Federation of Holistic Therapists.

❖ It provides you with a solid knowledge of the process of ME, CFS and Fibromyalgia Recovery

❖ It will enable you to: Explain the multi-faceted symptoms that prove so debilitating for clients.

❖ It is ideal if you aim to acquire specialist insight in this field and are keen to join a supportive referral community. .

❖ The course incorporates business training with a proven track record of improving results and income success in practice.

❖ Easy Access - Train from the comfort of your own Home

https://getyourlifeback.s3.amazonaws.com/Foundation Brochure New Final Version.pdf







The Chrysalis Effect CIC FHT Accredited Specialist Training

Module 1
• Full online recovery programme
• Coaching questions to use with clients for each session .....


Module 2
'.... This module covers: GROWTH model, Psychology of motivation, Financial, Life purpose, Relationship and Bereavement Coaching and addressing unconscious Limiting Beliefs and unhelpful behaviour patterns that drive symptoms. You will have the skills to dissolve the blocks to health...'

Module 3
The Physical Recovery Journey

Module 4
The Emotional Recovery Journey

Module 5
Building Your Specialist Recovery Business
https://getyourlifeback.s3.amazonaws.com/Specialist Training Brochure Nov 2017.pdf






Accredited Specialists Directory
Welcome to the directory of Therapists and Practitioners who have dedicated their skills to helping sufferers of M.E, CFS and Fibromyalgia in their recovery, engaging their own tools with the Chrysalis Effect Recovery Programme.

These Practitioners have undergone extensive training as ILM Accredited Wellbeing Coaches and have successfully completed a Specialist FHT Accreditation to provide cohesive, step by step, recovery protocols enabling them to tailor the recovery programme to individual need.
https://thechrysaliseffect.co.uk/accredited-specialists/

 

I don’t see where the health or wellbeing part in what she offers is

it’s disgusting and shouldn’t be being branded as a product under any of the labels she claims at all. It’s just selling bigotry and lies then pretending to cure them ‘send your disabled relative to us because the horrible people don’t want to get better’ is no longer even in the guidelines so it’s surely just incitement unless she’d somehow distinguished a subset who had some separate ‘issue’ that was that term (which I don’t think exists).

I’d quite like to see a show case where something like this was prosecuted for nasty populist slander and offering unhelpful almost certainly harmful non therapies - from what I can see it’s just bullying as it’s intention given it doesn’t make anyone better and can’t see it being any healthier than gay conversion course type issues which are now acknowledged as harmful damaging and so on? I mean common sense says it’s cruel and harmful anyway but still

 

Elaine Wilkins is faking a career for secondary gains.

 

This

 

@Joan Crawford hi nice to see you, feels like a while, hope you're as well as you can be

 

Hi I'm not bad thanks for asking. Some court cases taking up headspace, new meds, house renovations and a poorly husband.

 

that sounds like a right packet! wishing you well with it all

 

I don't understand why if she is offering courses then those are not under the CMA (competition and markets authority) regarding evidencing any claims made. Then there is the ASA.

The ILM is best known as an acronym for the institute for leadership and management, which is reasonably well thought of - if it is this she is mentioning, or if it is just 'coincidence of the same acronym' then worth dropping them a line too on the basis of their reputation management.

I do think there is a number of other levels she has gone into here too with her disparaging nonsense and offering a course in bigotry and inaccuracy that is likely to cause harm when she herself has big question marks about whether she ever had any illness at all related to any of these in the first place and certainly has no qualifications in the area etc.

Put it this way, my gut says if there isn't a quality system for the curriculum and making sure it isn't awful nonsense and harmful there should be - and just because there isn't doesn't mean you can say anything.

I believe there is starting to be some sort of look into the fake psych areas, having seen a few named in media articles recently as being of concern etc.

My question is whether there should be 'avoid' lists of harmful/not safe etc courses in order that should any relatives or employers wishfully look such stuff up because they find the messaging tempting to what works for them then at least there are some ME organisations that do note this is incorrect medically and likely harmful from a perspective of foreseeability. So that those who are pwme can print it out or email said links. It might also be useful for those who want to be wellbeing coaches and not learn the wrong things etc.

Of course it won't be exhaustive but at least it can be specific for those people have seen and give really good gist for any regulator or oversight that does need to try and keep up with it one day etc.?

 

Advertising Standards: Chrysalis Effect cannot claim ME/CFS recovery!

"The ME Association had made a complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) relating to recovery claims made by the Chrysalis Effect Ltd. on its website in regard to ME/CFS. The ASA issued its ruling yesterday, and upheld the complaint:

“The ad must not appear again in the form complained of. We told The Chrysalis Effect Ltd to ensure they did not make claims that their programme could aid in ME/CFS recovery, or full clinical recovery from ME/CFS, unless they held sufficient evidence to support the claims.”"

https://meassociation.org.uk/2023/0...hrysalis-effect-cannot-claim-me-cfs-recovery/

 

ASA Ruling on The Chrysalis Effect Ltd

• Upheld
• 06 September 2023

full report here
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/the-chrysalis-effect-ltd-g22-1164009-the-chrysalis-effect-ltd.html

 

What a snivelling, shifty, tap-dancing response it sounds like they think they can play advertising standards too. I expected little different from them though.

Does anyone know if this person who runs it and claims to 'have recovered' so endlessly had any condition officially confirmed and what it is. Even outside someone selling something it gets right up my nose people going around claiming 'recovery' and indulging themselves to suggest it was from something the same as someone else when there are such differences between different severities and whether you have proper PEM/ME or a bit of fatigue once etc. I just don't get the mentality that so many seem to think they can do that. I'm not sure even that is where this one came from though. But then often it is some fictional friend anyway that someone is citing and those types really don't like reality and letting it get in the way of what they choose to think

 

Elaine Wilkins (Chrysalis founder) has a background in multilevel marketing. She described her burnout and getting better with thyroid medication. The other Chrysalis founder, Kelly Oldershaw (also a background in multilevel marketing) is now a new age coach in another country, she says she is still sick at times though not with what.

 

@bobbler

Reposted from my earlier post from June:


Elaine Wilkins actually suggests (implies) that borrowing money from relatives to pay for treatments is justified because you will recover 'if you do the work'. This is after goading the sick people by insisting that they get so much gain out of being sick that they don't even try to recover.



(Chrysalis Effect Summer Newsletter):

Elaine Wilkins wrote:
"I remember Liz Hancock saying, "what is it you are secretly glad you don't have to do anymore because of your illness?". It took a long while for the penny to drop that illness was a messenger and I had work to do. It demanded that I stop looking for a quick fix. I invested in the help I needed for thyroid adrenal, emotional work and body work. [I was on benefits, so I asked for financial help from family which I repaid when I recovered]"



I do think that Elaine Wilkins' inciting sick/disabled people to borrow money to buy unproven commercial 'treatments' must cross some consumer protection line.

 

Quite a nice workaround that evidence-based medicine has. A similar ruling should apply to Jon Stone's neurosymptoms.org website. But it's OK to hype invalid claims in EBM, things you can't do in advertising. No need to advertise if you can promote fake clinical evidence, however. It's marketing in itself.

This is exactly the same. I mean literally, they use the BPS model to justify their pseudoscience, because both are the same pseudoscience. But it doesn't seem to bother anyone in healthcare. Just like it doesn't bother the LC deniers that trolls and antivaccine folks agree with them all the way.

I'd love to see more of that. There are a lot of similar marketing claims for CBT made by private clinics. Of course someone can probably simply copy-paste the whole thing and call it The butterfly method and get around it.

 

Great. Now as this is a course she offers then the CMA need to be looking into flase or unevidenced claims the the description and materials and I do think if the ILM is allowing this to be listed then there is a quality assurance issue rd the content too ie it shouldn’t be being advertised but also it shouldn’t be marketing in any false clsims either or bringing down the reputation of a course company:the course company lending it reputation as if it is a good course addressing things it doesnt