Preprint There Is No Established Connection Between Long-COVID and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, 2025, Kouyoumdjian et al

John Mac

John Mac

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Abstract​

Fatigue is the most common symptom of Long-COVID (LC), characterized by persistent or new symptoms occurring at least three months after the initial SARS-CoV-2 infection, with no other identifiable cause.
This study aims to assess the prevalence of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) as a condition associated with LC.
The study included 37 adult controls without SARS-CoV-2 infection and 32 cases with a history of infection, categorized into two groups: LC-yes and LC-no.
ME/CFS was diagnosed using the International Consensus Criteria. The most frequent symptoms of LC included post-exertional malaise (PEM), neurosensory, perceptual, or motor disturbances, cognitive impairments, sleep disturbances, pain, loss of thermoregulatory stability, and flu-like symptoms, with significant differences compared to the other groups. PEM was reported in all LC-yes cases.
ME/CFS was diagnosed in 18.8% of the LC-yes group, 6.7% of the LC-no group, and 10.8% of controls, with no significant differences.
Experiencing more than six symptoms during acute infection—such as tiredness, loss of taste, fatigue, loss of smell, headache, fever, cough, myalgia, sore throat, dyspnea, rhinorrhea, and diarrhea—doubled the likelihood of developing LC.
Experiencing at least six symptoms during the acute infection further increased the likelihood of developing LC. A high proportion of LC cases exhibited PEM, neurosensory, perceptual, or motor disturbances, cognitive impairments, and sleep disturbances, with significant differences compared to the control and LC-no groups. However, only 18.8% of LC cases met the ICC criteria for ME/CFS diagnosis, showing no significant difference from the LC-no and control groups.

I don't understand the study's headline with the following finding.
"ME/CFS was diagnosed in 18.8% of the LC-yes group, 6.7% of the LC-no group"
Wouldn't this point to ME/CFS being 3 times more likely to be prevalent in Long Covid?
Is this not considered significant?
Also "PEM was reported in all LC-yes cases." Wouldn't this point to all LC-yes cases having ME/CFS?

Doesn't the 10.8% of the non-Covid control group being diagnosed with ME/CFS seem very high?
I thought ME/CFS prevalence (in the UK) was about 0.25%, nowhere near 10%?
 
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They have the definitions of PEM wrong completely, its defined as tiredness/fatigue/pain immediately after exercise. I don't know how they managed to butcher the ICC criteria so badly but they have completely misunderstood. Fatigue being defined as tiredness that doesn't resolve from rest, which also isn't right either.

When your tiredness/fatigue in your apparently health group is 62.5% you have got something badly wrong. They have so many of the LC-no and control groups having PEM its kind of ridiculous but given how they defined it this makes a lot of sense, who doesn't feel a bit tired after a big workout? But that isn't what PEM is and its certainly not how the CCC or ICC defines PEM.
 
There's lab work, and then there's lab work.

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Tiredness is a nonspecific term that refers to a subjective feeling of lacking energy or experiencing exhaustion. It can stem from various physiological, psychological, or environmental causes. Fatigue is a persistent and subjective sensation of physical, mental, or emotional exhaustion that is disproportionate to recent activity and is not relieved by rest. Unlike tiredness, it often indicates an underlying medical, psychological, or physiological condition. However, in clinical anamnesis, it appears to be the same. We consider fatigue when there is no relief from rest.
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As above they've completely misunderstood PEM. What's wrong with defining tiredness as simply "wanting to sleep"?

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This title is going to have a big effect when authors of other papers go google searching for anything related to relationships between ME/CFS and LC. It's going to float to the top of those google searches and get taken at face value and plugged into endnote in a heartbeat. It scarcely even matters what the paper will say. Titles do heavy lifting in citation and this is one that's going to really stand out and get used very easily.
 
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DMissa said:
This title is going to have a big effect when authors of other papers go google searching for anything related to relationships between ME/CFS and LC. It's going to float to the top of those google searches and get taken at face value and plugged into endnote in a heartbeat. It scarcely even matters what the paper will say. Titles do heavy lifting in citation and this is one that's going to really stand out and get used very easily.
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Also known as clickbait
 
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