#ThereForME campaign / Building an NHS that’s there for Long Covid and ME

I'm not really concerned by that. This ideology thrives in darkness, needs it. In fact it looks awful in daylight, hence why they avoid it as much as they can. It doesn't mean that it would be a watershed moment for us, but it wouldn't be good for the quacks.

A major reason why this nightmare continues is because they are completely selective with facts, being able to control everything in their echo chambers. But everything about it looks worse in context, and the more context there is the worse it looks.

 

Hi all - just dropping in to say thanks to Science for ME for supporting the letter to the health and social care select committee! We were really happy to have you on board. If anyone here lives in the constituencies we've flagged, please do write to your MP on the committee if you can and let them know it matters to you. Constituency-level engagement can be quite persuasive for MPs, so we think it can really help (the constituencies are Oxford West & Abingdon, Farnham & Bordon, Isle of Wight East, Worthing West, Chelsea and Fulham, Uxbridge & South Ruislip, Calder Valley, Ealing Southall, Thurrock, Birmingham Erdington). We have a template here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14Df48CHkQyEOTbv7pHc-cscjyPrq77hcHobLLE7en7k/edit?usp=sharing

I saw there was a question about the process with our letters, which is an interesting one - happy to share a bit in the interest of transparency! To be totally honest, we're still working it out as we go. It's a tricky balance between having some editorial control (past experience has shown me it's very hard to write a good letter by committee!) and enabling people who are part of the process to shape it.

For this one, the idea of a joint letter to Layla Moran/the health select committee came from our steering group, which is made up of the 20 orgs/smaller initiatives who have officially supported the campaign as a whole. I put together an initial draft, then the draft was shared around the steering group for feedback. We incorporated a lot of input from that stage and I think the letter was stronger as a result. We reached out to a few additional people at a later stage, when unfortunately we were no longer able to incorporate feedback. I was in touch with one of the S4ME moderators last week about the Cochrane review letter (which we were very happy to sign!) and so had asked them if they were interested in signing our letter - and we're really pleased they were able to at quite short notice.

We're still welcoming new orgs and initiatives to join our official list of supporters and the steering group, which is probably the best way to be able to feed in early on when we're doing stuff like this. There's now a lot of organisations involved, so it helps to have a list of people we know are broadly supportive to include in the first instance. Science for ME very welcome to join that list if you're interested!

 

I think the issue is partly things like the remit/terms of reference ending up being controlled in very specific ways that make it something quite different to intended or assumed, I don't know what the right terms are right now but remember reading about past things like this having problems because of strange limits meaning things like the York-based something limited a lot of what could be discussed and 'how'? I'd feel more reassured if those who have been on the front line and seen these catches and tricks happen are being sought for insight in the hope of anticipating how things could get played and any drawbacks or things to watch out for etc.

 

Thank you for the update Karen, and for the campaign! I will see if I can drum up some support in Oxford, my old stomping ground.

 

Welcome back @Karen Hargrave. Two doctors in my family who live in Joe Robertson’s constituency on the IOW have agreed to write to him in support of your proposal.

I wonder if it would be useful for people who are more severe to create a template to email their friends and family in the relevant constituencies?

 

Me neither. Yes positives and negatives.

I don’t know if we have enough in our corner yet.

 

Well they’ve asked now, we might not get. It might take years to get.

 

Yes. I wasn’t suggesting not trying to change things.

I am unsure if sufficient ground work has been done for this to land well. But the there for ME people do have tons of campaign experience and political connections so maybe that will make up for the disconnected disorganised state of or otherwise transform advocacy. Rapidly enough for us to get strong enough to force this through and also get a satisfactory result.

With LC people being more organised, due to the all at once mass disabling event, their numbers somewhat make up for lack of physical capacity for individual sufferers. There is an opportunity.

Especially important to push government now that Long Covid is swelling our numbers so, and that the government is responding by panic and punitive measures trying to force everyone back to work, rather than insisting on workplace and education safety measures and infection control measures across the land in this still ongoing pandemic that is also causing organ damage to the population.



I am afraid that with the major parties so hostile to disabled people asking them to agree to have look at their own failures might not get us where we need to be. I don’t know if we have built leverage. But maybe we could do so as we go along.

Certainly post this inquest over a lack of feeding support and the prevention of future deaths report it feels important to push the issue further whilst momentum is there.

I hope that they succeed in generating positive attention in government to balance out the negative. Surely soon enough someone’s family member is falling to this sickness and then perhaps some self interested care will kick in.

 

Only just seen this, does anybody know if there is a .pdf available of this letter. Had vacs yesterday and not too well at all today, so haven't capacity to search?

Well done by the way.

 

Thanks Trish.

 

Compensation for first responders suffering health problems from working on 9/11 took about 20 years. Can't remember when but it was only something like 3-4 years ago that it passed through the US congress. Similar with the burn pits and some other health issues from environmental hazards during the Iraq war: part deux. For US soldiers, of course. Obviously the Iraqi population suffered more than their own share of it.

Something that's really important to raise in trying to get the attention of Jon Stewart. He was involved in both causes and of course so was Simon Wessely, on opposite sides. That's such a huge hook IMO.

Of course there are ways to present the timeline for the tragedy of ME/CFS that make it go back many decades more, so it wouldn't make sense to start the count at any less than 20 years. Long Covid is the backdrop that can end the gridlock.

 

ThereForME: The Dark and Silent Abyss
How do you care for someone when light and sound cause pain?

 

Thanks to the committee here for signing and to @Karen Hargrave and co for the letter. It’s worth a shot at least.

 

"Campaign update #10: Reasons to be cheerful":

https://www.thereforme.uk/p/campaign-update-10-reasons-to-be