United Kingdom: ME Association news

Discussion in 'News from organisations' started by Peter Trewhitt, Feb 8, 2021.

  1. Kitty

    Kitty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yep.

    "OK boomer".
     
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    Absolutely.

    I was sure I'd seen similar along these lines from Riley before. I don't know if it is the 2019 posted here or was yet another one but remember being flabbergasted then.
     
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    Nightsong Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If one takes on a position of the greatest responsibility in a major ME organisation then the desire to discuss personal opinions must surely be temporarily subordinated to the interests of the broader ME patient community. Words must be weighed more carefully; the chairman of the MEA is not a random patient chatting away on social media. It can be expected that this article will be quoted, perhaps even cited, by those ill-disposed to us as some kind of evidence that pwME are broadly fearful of activity.

    Furthermore, many patients - especially newer patients (and there are a lot of newer patients post-COVID) may treat the words of the chairman of the MEA as authoritative. Needless to say this is not advice that would have been at all helpful to me when I first developed ME; in fact, I would probably have thought that we were not discussing the same condition. (Sometimes I wonder how things might have been different for me if I had initially spent some time resting deeply & convalescing). I worry what a new patient might think, reading this.

    It would also be helpful if those leading major patient organisations understood commonly used terms, such as "biopsychosocial" (as opposed to "bio-social-psychic", whatever that is).

    Here's hoping that the motion to limit the duration of trusteeships at the MEA succeeds.
     
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  4. Kitty

    Kitty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Indeed. As an outsider, it looks as if it needs a review of its entire operation.

    Ideally, it would consult with members but also invite input from the wider ME/CFS community. Some of them might even join if they felt they could support the strategy and had more confidence in the trustees.

    I doubt it'll happen, though. The MEA's looked awfully like a clique for most of the time I've been aware of it.
     
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  5. Tia

    Tia Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This is making me glad to be a member of AfME and not MEA.
     
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    I think this is an older, from a few years ago?

    But if I saw this at any time and was a member of an association that think it's a good idea to publish something like this, I would terminate it, ask for a refund and never look back. Incredibly condescending and foolish to even put this together. What a disaster those charities can be. We basically don't have any in Canada, and looking at how things are, the same, it's easy to see why having them exist makes no difference.
     
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  7. NelliePledge

    NelliePledge Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes I’m sure we discussed the article at the time
     
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  8. bobbler

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    There are two streams of conversation to be had here really. The second (next post) interacts because the 'what happens next' can be what stops 'sort the first'.

    The first seems a no-brainer (apart from the next catch) but something that would be now worrying if it was postponed etc. (because of issues like PROMS) And includes fixing some of the more unusual things that have been flagged that matter - I didn't realise that the checks/balances purpose of governance was being undermined by the trustees being the ones who actually write each of the strategies and plans, whilst also being the ones who advise and scrutinise them if that is actually correct ?

    And its impact on job-size if so vs chances of recruiting good candidates (if the norm is a committment half the size as trustee for other charities). Plus of course the added, but ever more relevant, issue of this being an energy-limiting condition where experience with different severities also matters.

    If you think of the direct relationship between that increased severity ('being qualified' by having that experience if you think in job terms) and reduced envelope or 'time to offer' if a carer (but not necessarily ability) then I suspect we have issues with ways of working almost implicitly making the most qualified the least able to access the role, for reasons that not only are not needed/priorities but aren't 'norms' necessarily.

    Perhaps we should expect a modern ME charity would find a better way to balance having that disease-specific experience/qualification and professional skillset/understanding than expecting it all to be in one person.


    The mention of the editorial control/ sign-off process is interesting as an example. Simplifying it to how things can work eg for a magazine, then each page will have a list/hierarchy of stakeholders (hierarchy as different people might suggest contradicting edits and there needs to be final says on each aspect), the whole magazine might have a specific tone and sign-off for that, and indeed their might also be the same by 'section' (what is and isn't included in that).

    What qualified pwme/carers who might have experience in different severities/backgrounds would be able to flag vs for example someone who was hired for their expertise in fundraising or accounting or PR will be different. But there should also be overall 'messaging' or principles that those who are responsible for marketing, brand, PR would be ever-conscious of.

    Who gets to decide these is part of strategy too. Which is currently scrutinised (and written?) by trustees. So no, just ticking the box saying 'patient insight' will cover it, isn't the same. It probably needs something a bit more substantial to get the right type of input properly built in. Sadly I don't have the answers off the top of my head, as it looks like it needs quite a bit of thinking through!
     
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    The second is two points that inter-relate, and becomes more complex with more detail of the history.

    Point one is Charles Shepherd and I agree he is very important to the organisation, and can see the difference between being a hired medical advisor vs keeping some say and control is important, particularly as I can imagine how easily things can fall into the wrong hands given even the best policies focused on evening things up for the energy-limited can't disappear the huge advantage it is to have full energy, health and none of the committments that come with being on the wrong side of the illness.

    The history described above from 2003 and what happened with a CEO, Val Hockey etc. is useful to learn from. I suspect there are many other stories its worth knowing to fully understand what could happen and how different things work and why different points are there.


    Point two is what @Sean wrote about really eloquently and succinctly regarding old hands and knowing where the bodies are buried but also believing all that has gone on, so we don't repeat the same traps.

    How can security be provided for both pwme and Charles to avoid unintended consequences, and in fact improve the pool/safeguards ?

    I can see that once you've just a few into a board who have an agenda then that influence can be used to snowball it if only via stubbornness or attrition/paralysis by disagreement and so on.
     
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    I agree with all the comments, but this is absolutely gold.
    There’s a pompous privilege in this endeavour, of the sort that has been phased out recently.
     
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    There are many stories from the period between 2003 and 2006. Let's say it was "interesting" times.
     
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    The Twitter/X poster Phoebe says it was published last month.
     
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    Expect it's been posted on one of the threads - will delete if it has:

    Full time Fundraising Officer: 25-27K

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1858528191595307128



    Situations Vacant: Fundraising Officer - CLOSING DATE: Monday 25th November 2024 The ME Association are looking for a highly organised person to join our Fundraising Team. As Fundraising Officer, you’ll play a vital role in securing funding to help people with ME/ CFS, making a positive difference to thousands of peoples lives. Apply via our listing on CharityJobs - https://charityjob.co.uk/jobs/the-me-association/fundraising-officer/994209… #MECFS #MyalgicEncephalomyelitis #LongCovid #JobVacancy #JobOpportunity #FundraisingOfficer #Fundraising
     
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    Still no announcement of the December AGM on their Twitter/x feed. Has anyone received the magazine today?
     
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  16. Kitty

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    It's a challenge, but that doesn't mean it can't be addressed. Same as all access issues: if the will is there to do it, a solution can be found.

    In some respects it's similar to board representation for people with learning or communication difficulties. They may need an advocate to support them in a meeting or even to speak on their behalf, partly because it's a pressured, time-constrained situation that can make it difficult to formulate and express their thoughts as well as they'd like.

    Processes have to be adjusted so that agenda items are notified well in advance, giving the person and their advocate time to explore them. If the advocate is to be the one speaking at the meeting, they are there to present the other person's thoughts and opinions, not their own. It's a skill that takes time to learn, but without it, those voices aren't heard in any meaningful way.

    Charities could learn a lot from that approach, not only to enable better representation for people with severe ME/CFS, but also to enable them to job-share as trustees with someone with more capacity.
     
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    Close to 300 people have now signed the open letter. Hoping they can’t just brush that off as reviewed, nothing to see here..
     
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  19. Kitty

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    It's a very good letter, too.
     
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  20. Fainbrog

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    Anyone looked at the MEA FB page today? I’m not sure I dare..it’ll rile me either way, I suspect.
     

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