United Kingdom: ME Association news

Discussion in 'News from organisations' started by Peter Trewhitt, Feb 8, 2021.

  1. bobbler

    bobbler Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,821
    sorry because I was trying to not get myself sucked into this but...

    the first section you've put a border around, particularly the last para. Well it just shows the differences in people's lives to his.

    "if I'm back in bed by 10am no matter" [I got washed and dressed for the day at least]

    It does matter hugely if you live alone and are the only one who can feed and toilet yourself and all of the other chores that mount up over a week and you waste all of your energy for the day washing and dressing to be back in bed by 10am instead. He does realise there are many who are caring for children or others?

    I didn't read a word in either this or the 2019 article about how to do the washing (though I assume he had something clean to 'dress' in) or juggle booking medical appointments and getting hold of prescriptions and the related admin/calls or anything to do with the conveyor belt up to feeding himself, and then there is anything to do with 'cleaning' most struggle with help with but can't fit into their envelop from that cup being washed to sheets on their bed and of course the rest.

    Others have used the word privilege but in the context of today it feels bigger than that. Either someone is well enough for all these gaps that would have to trump or be managed around as priorities 'getting dressed and washed for the day' or he needed, given his position to explain this different world and what is bridging the gap that his constituency is unlikely to either have or be struggling for help with (but dealing with the issue of such help being aware of other limitations like chat and sensitivities such as noise).

    Don't get me started on how few people get the lying on the bed twice a day without something like building work, that has also exerted them before and after that, shaking through them.

    It's nice for him that he has a recuperation hospital within a home , so why is that not what he is making his 'mission' [for all others to have access to] and title of his piece?
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2024
    MEMarge, EzzieD, rainy and 19 others like this.
  2. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    29,504
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    That's such a good point bobbler. Presumably Neil Riley has someone on hand to make sure that he and the rest of his family have a meal to eat in the evening, regardless of whether he has used up all his energy on his daily shower.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, EzzieD and 19 others like this.
  3. MrMagoo

    MrMagoo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,250
    Well I couldn’t be the Chairman of anything, I’m not even on top of ordering groceries.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, EzzieD and 15 others like this.
  4. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    55,656
    Location:
    UK
    I noticed that too. If I get dressed and go for a walk in my garden in the morning then go back to bed for the rest of the day, there's no one to get my and my daughters' meals, or do the other things that need doing in a household of two sick people.

    Oh, and by the way, Mr Riley, a large proportion of people with ME/CFS live alone, have no help, and don't have the privelege of owning a garden.

    He hasn't a clue.

    I think I recall he says in his non apology that he talks to lots of people with ME/CFS. Perhaps he should listen to them instead.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, EzzieD and 26 others like this.
  5. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    55,656
    Location:
    UK
    Mark Vink's response to the article by Neil Riley:
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2024
    Missense, EzzieD, Sean and 19 others like this.
  6. Sasha

    Sasha Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    4,046
    Location:
    UK
    I've been reflecting on the impact of the publication of this editorial on my view of the MEA and I've realised that it has completely destroyed my trust in it as an organisation.

    This means that I can't trust any of their choices of what research to fund, or any of the information resources that they put out. It means I daren't donate to them in case they use that money to push this narrative.

    To convince me otherwise, they're going to have to do better than a forced public apology.
     
    MEMarge, EzzieD, rainy and 18 others like this.
  7. Dx Revision Watch

    Dx Revision Watch Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,506
    From the "Patrons, Trustees, Advisers, Staff" page: https://meassociation.org.uk/mea-team/

    Emma Jefferies is Communications and Social Media Lead

    "...Emma joined the ME Association in March 2021 as Social Media Specialist and has taken on the role of overseeing all communications and social media content."​

    There are two "Communications Officers": Rachel and Kelly.


    I wonder whose decision it was to turn off comments for the Twitter/X and Facebook posts for Neil Riley's statement - the board's decision, Emma Jeffries' or whoever is managing and moderating the Twitter/X and Facebook accounts this week?

    I raised a query on the Twitter/X account on 17 December regarding a significant error in an MEA article concerning Nomenclature and SNOMED CT and have received no response my post, so I don't know who is managing the Twitter/X account at the moment.


    Caroline Cavey is Magazine Editor and Literature Designer. She works freelance.


    Not directly related to this most recent Neil Riley article issue, but I do question what value to the organisation and to the membership the concept of patrons brings. What have HRH The Duke of Kent and Etain, Lady Hagart-Alexander achieved for the organisation over the years they have been "patrons"?

    There are currently six trustees - all of them bar one are men. There is additionally one female "Associate Trustee". I would like to see more women on the board.

    They could have up to 8 elected trustees plus 3 co-opted trustees.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2024
    MEMarge, EzzieD, Sean and 11 others like this.
  8. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    55,656
    Location:
    UK
    I would think Neil Riley instructed the comms people to shut off social media responses. Their jobs depend on the ongoing approval of trustees.
     
    MEMarge, EzzieD, Sean and 10 others like this.
  9. Dx Revision Watch

    Dx Revision Watch Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,506
    There are some comments on Facebook regarding the Riley statement posted under a different post flagging the "MEA guide to activity and energy management and pacing"

    https://www.facebook.com/meassociat...3gt5ZA4cRXedHqaY2bazqwT6tEJpMtGl?locale=en_GB

    See several constructive critical comments from

    Sam Shine
    Claire Lorraine
    Kirsty Sivapalan
    Tracy Meggitt
    Ruth Braham

    One of the posters is screenshotting these posts as comments are known to have been deleted from MEA Facebook threads in the past.
     
    MEMarge, Sean, Chestnut tree and 9 others like this.
  10. Nightsong

    Nightsong Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    667
    MEA have funded some dubious things of late. If I were on a funding board I would probably have said no to both the "dysautonomia protocol" and the ear-clip "vagus nerve stimulator" projects as well as the PROMs project.
     
  11. Dx Revision Watch

    Dx Revision Watch Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,506
    I was curious to compare the MEA's trustee demographic with that of Action for ME:

    The current board of the MEA consists of 6 trustees (5 men, 1 woman). I am not including the female "Associate Trustee" as my understanding is that this is a probationary role and this lady's name is not listed on Companies House as a Director.

    Of the 5 men, 3 have been trustees for over 20 years. Their ages, according to Companies House, are 61, 69, 70, 73 and 79. Their average age is 70.4. With the female trustee, the average age is 67.3.

    MEA is hurtling towards governance by old, white men.

    The MEA's governing document allows for not less than 4, and up to 8 trustees, elected by the membership. The board is permitted an additional 3 co-opted trustees = 11 trustees in total.

    In contrast: Action for ME has 12 trustees - 7 men and 5 women; age range 39-66. Average age just over 56. MEA cannot claim that younger people and women do not want to take on the role of trustee within ME orgs.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2024
    Sly Saint, MEMarge, Sean and 15 others like this.
  12. JohnTheJack

    JohnTheJack Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    4,809
    Thanks for both replies which are interesting and helpful.

    I know patients are divided over a merger, and I know many share your concerns and are against it because of them.

    My own view is that it would be better, certainly in the medium term, but it's not a deal-breaker for me. If patients generally don't want it then fair enough.

    I keep repeating it (and this is for general consideration and not directed at DxRW) but the only solution to this is to try to replace the trustees or at least elect enough trustees to form a majority. And for me that would be a deal-breaker of any proposed merger down the track. Trustees are needed at both organizations who have experience of the illness and who are trusted by patients (both, not either/or).

    The obvious problem is that most patients are just not well enough and/or have not been well enough to get the necessary training and experience to run a charity. It seems to me that both charities should address this problem by either having a PAG with explicit powers of veto over eg a new CEO/medical adviser or by having trustees split, with patients in the majority and others doing the work, or something similar.

    As for the MEA, perhaps it is time to write to Neil, Ewan and Charles and say that, first, they need to plan a succession anyway and, second, they are at serious risk of destroying their legacy and the credibility, trust and respect they, in particular Charles, have built up over the last 20 years.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, EzzieD and 10 others like this.
  13. Fainbrog

    Fainbrog Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    268
    Location:
    London, UK
    Missense, EzzieD, bobbler and 10 others like this.
  14. Fainbrog

    Fainbrog Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    268
    Location:
    London, UK
    It looks like it arrived at that station long ago and blew up the train and tracks it got there on.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, Sean and 10 others like this.
  15. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    55,656
    Location:
    UK
    The reply is clearly written by a staff member not by Neil Riley. It focuses entirely on sympathy for an individual's distress and suggesting use of their helpline, while not apologising at all for Riley's awful article. Not good enough.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, EzzieD and 15 others like this.
  16. Fainbrog

    Fainbrog Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    268
    Location:
    London, UK
    To me, this feels potentially existential for MEA now given the tacit approval by the other trustees for what has been published is the original article, the non-apology and the non-apologies that seem to be going out today.

    There is such catastrophic damage being done to the reputation that it being quietly subsumed by AfME or simply wound up and its funds being distributed to other charities may be the only way out.

    Of course there will be those who haven’t heard about this, maybe it’s a storm in Twitter cup, but, with 800+ people signing an open letter etc. this thing has grown legs and is walking on its own now.

    This is something a relatively small charity would struggle to survive from and people are sharing that they will stop their membership.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, Sean and 10 others like this.
  17. bobbler

    bobbler Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,821
    It flags something about the way the job is designed vs what is needed to be a trustee / they are looking for that is making it difficult to get women ?

    and of course maybe age and other diversity aspects (which could include living situation/ financial background etc being relevant for me/cfs too)

    then there is the vicious circle of if someone if outnumbered then getting heard can be hard etc
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2024
    Sean, Kitty, MrMagoo and 3 others like this.
  18. Dx Revision Watch

    Dx Revision Watch Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,506
    Sean, Lou B Lou, Kitty and 2 others like this.
  19. MrMagoo

    MrMagoo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,250
    Ear clip Vagus nerve is Physios For ME’s project isn’t it?

    If the MEA aren’t giving a large amount of funding to Chris Ponting next, then they can go and implode as far as I’m concerned.
     
  20. MrMagoo

    MrMagoo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,250
    It’s giving pale, male and stale.
     
    Missense, MEMarge, Sean and 6 others like this.

Share This Page