USA: Mount Sinai PACS clinic and Dr David Putrino

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  1. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Putrino isn't an immunologist or even, as far as I know, a medic. Why is he writing this stuff?
    There are no useful data. What is the justification?
     
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    Jaybee00 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    He is a cutting-edge Long Covid researcher!!
     
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    In what sense?
    Cutting edge researchers do not normally produce social media threads of garbled messages about off label treatments.
     
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    I’m guessing @Jaybee00 ’s comment was sarcastic
     
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    Jaybee00 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, that was sarcastic.
     
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    I don’t think it makes any sense for lactic acid to be involved in causing PEM directly because it doesn’t explain the delay the often occurs.

    And why don’t people experience PEM after intense exercise when they are healthy?
     
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    I hope the Putrino slide is taken out of context and it’s a hypothesis, not stating a “fact”. Though to be honest Putrino is not known for properly hedging claims, he’s more known for making BioBS type claims…
     
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    I'm not sure where the lactic acid is supposed to be. I don't think there is good evidence for increased levels of lactic acid in the blood of people with ME/CFS, or for abnormal responses to exercise in terms of lactic acid?

    I know there was that n=1 paper by Vink, but I think members' experimentation with lactic acid monitors, including my own, didn't find that issues with lactic acid were a common problem.
     
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    For what it's worth, in the PEM conference the other day, I believe three different groups (Putrino, Puta and another one) showed either preliminary or clinical data from their clinics - all of them seeing increased plasma lactate during rest and activity compared to healthy adults. It was explained with dysfunctional TCA / increased anaerobic glycolysis iirc (pyruvate -> lactate -> exported lactate). I don't remember them trying to explain that this increased lactate is anything else but an outcome of the former - I don't think they made lactate more than a potential diagnostic marker. Not a main driver of disease state I think. Not 100% certain I remember correctly.
     
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