What Doesn't Kill You [Forthcoming Documentary]

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What Doesn't Kill You
Lives in the grip of ME/CFS

✓ Coming in 2025
✓ 100% of profit reinvested in ME/CFS research and education

"What Doesn't Kill You" is a forthcoming documentary exploring the lives of people battling ME/CFS, a scandalously underfunded and chronically ignored disease.

Through intimate interviews with patients, families, healthcare providers, and researchers, the film illuminates the daily reality of living with this chronic illness while championing the resilience of the human spirit.

While being honest about the harsh reality of recovery rates, "What Doesn't Kill You" has a special focus on the stories of progress that give hope to millions fighting for their lives without adequate recognition or resources.

https://whatdoesntkillyou.movie/

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Every story lights the way. Open eyes and move hearts by completing your 6-question virtual interview today. We will produce a short video telling your story and may invite you to participate in our documentary (coming 2025).

https://mecfsstories.com/

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Looking at the website and the trailer, it doesn't look as though the film is going to end with the wife of one of the filmmakers getting a phone call from a helpful Norwegian person and suddenly realising that she doesn't have to be confined to her dark room. i.e. it looks realistic and legit and made with completely good intent.
 
Looking at the website and the trailer, it doesn't look as though the film is going to end with the wife of one of the filmmakers getting a phone call from a helpful Norwegian person and suddenly realising that she doesn't have to be confined to her dark room. i.e. it looks realistic and legit and made with completely good intent.
I agree. From the trailer, it looks like a talented film-maker as well. This quote hit me like a train:
She said "Write down everything I say." Yeah, I should be writing down everything you say. Because you put so much effort into these words.

"My own personal goal for today is to not use my arms."

"Shoot me. If you leave me alive like this, you hate me."

Edit: fixed typo
 
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The film maker’s other work can be seen here and here. I didn’t look at much (too much movement) but the little I saw looked very competent and professional

This quote is a little concerning
Bagel Run Media said:
”This is the right time for a documentary on ME/CFS to change people’s outlook on autoimmune disorders.
Let’s hope they focus mostly on people’s experience of ME rather than more or less speculative hypotheses
 
It sounds like a worthwhile project but I have mixed feelings about the title 'What doesn't kill you', as I assume it's meant to suggest the following 'makes you stronger'. And the wording about ordinary people triumphing over extraordinary difficulty...

I don't feel like I'm triumphing, and I don't feel stronger as a result of being ill for 35 years, and I don't want others feeling like failures if they aren't strong and triumphing. I'm not sure I want my life represented with those words.

Most of the time I'm just muddling along with the usual mix of human emotions and strengths and weaknesses anyone might expect of someone sick. Some misery, some anger, some happy moments, some grumpiness, some calm acceptance, some sadness, some grim endurance, some satisfaction with small achievements, some loneliness, some gratitude, some frustration, some anxiety, some ...

Maybe it's just me. I wish the project well.
 
mixed feelings about the title 'What doesn't kill you', as I assume it's meant to suggest the following 'makes you stronger'. And the wording about ordinary people triumphing over extraordinary difficulty...
Yes, the title using only the first part of the proverb could be understood as a critique of it, but combined with "people triumphing over extraordinary difficulty" it rather sounds like an endorsement.

That's highly problematic per se. But whatever title and blurb are supposed to actually mean, thinking of people with ME/CFS who died from complications caused by the disease (including starving) or suicide the wording feels like an affront.

Plus:

This quote is a little concerning

Bagel Run Media said:


”This is the right time for a documentary on ME/CFS to change people’s outlook on autoimmune disorders.

If that's the gist of the project it seems more than a little concerning to me.

In my experience. what makes it so difficult to get proper care in terms of acceptance and support for dealing with my ME/CFS specific disabilities is the misconceptios on both sides -- the psychosmatic misconception as a cognitive-behviorial problem as well as the mislabeling as an 'autoimmune' or other named specific biomedical process when there is no good evidence for it (yet).
 
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Yes, the title using only the first part of the proverb could be understood as a critique of it, but combined with "people triumphing over extraordinary difficulty" it rather sounds like an endorsement.
Oh, the title was one of my favorite parts because I thought it was being said ironically. Like I think that is an amazing title if the implied end is "sometimes only destroys your life little by little, takes everything from you, and maybe then kills you eventually anyway." I imagine it being a counter quote to a person saying "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" about either the suffering of ME/CFS itself, or about something like the pain of exercising which they think will surely make you feel better afterwards.

With the subtitle of the Substack, I can see they might have actually meant it in the regular way.

Edit: The About page of the Substack says:
There is maybe only one truly reliable prize you win for enduring something difficult: You now know what it’s like to endure something difficult.

This new, specialized knowledge might feel mostly useless unless 1) you plan on enduring that same thing again or 2) you plan on sharing that knowledge with others who may endure that same thing.

What Doesn’t Kill You is a publication intended to document that hard-earned knowledge - and honor those who make it their mission to turn right back around and use the unique insights and empathy they’ve gained to help others.
So I guess the quote kind of fits the movie if the idea is "What doesn't kill you allows you to share what you've learned to help others".
 
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Maybe I’m too picky and cynical, but being both sceptical of biomedical claims that aren’t true and getting kind of hurt when people at my severity aren’t acknowledged (or like this documentary “worst severity we’ve ever seen”, is someone that can make it out to the clinic). I don’t think I’ve ever seen any of the more filmmakery ME/CFS projects and actually wanted to watch them.
 
people at my severity aren’t acknowledged (or like this documentary “worst severity we’ve ever seen”, is someone that can make it out to the clinic).
The description of Becca in the teaser sounds really severe. She was transported from the clinic in a stretcher, and she hasn't left her bed in 644 days after that. She had to have the last tiny light on a CO detector covered to be in total darkness.
 
Hi Everyone,

TLDR; I am the filmmaker, all of your feedback is incredibly helpful and insightful. I want to create a storytelling, grassroots film, that focuses not necessarily on medical scandal but on patient experience and public misperceptions, in a goal to improve general public understanding and sympathy toward ME.

I'm Trent, the filmmaker working on this project. I am someone who, prior to working on this project, only knew about ME through Stephen's blog. I interviewed Stephen on a day when I had no other work, because I thought the story was fascinating. Upon reviewing the interview and studying the topic briefly, I was stunned by this huge medical problem I had never even heard of before. I am currently deep in the production process and working with lots of better informed people within the ME community to ensure I am telling an accurate, meaningful story. That being said, I am here to learn from those of you with lived experience. The more feedback I can receive in this process, the better the product will be. I am really hoping the final product is a great representation that the entire ME community can be proud of.

Let me answer a few of the questions and concerns being discussed here:

Oh, the title was one of my favorite parts because I thought it was being said ironically.
Yes, the title is very much ironic. In fact, one iteration of our logo (you can see the logo on our website) had the "n't" cut off by the door, so it carried a more heavy double meaning, something like "What Does(n't) Kill You." The logo was a bit messier so we put the words all on the door, but you can see the direction. The irony is that ME is not traditionally thought of as something that can kill you, but it can rob you of your life in its entirety. The idiom "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is entirely false in the case of ME. We will not pull any punches with the realities of ME. For example, I hope to touch on the very real conversations surrounding assisted suicide that many ME patients are forced to consider. Obviously these conversations cannot easily be used for marketing the documentary; they can be very triggering for people and can violate terms of service. My belief is that this path is a deeply personal choice, and one that nobody takes lightly. It is a complicated topic that we will not dive deeply into, as it involves value of life in suffering, and respect for someone's personal choices. But it is very important to state with no trepidation that so long as someone does want to fight to stay alive, we need to be in that fight with them.

If that's the gist of the project it seems more than a little concerning to me.

In my experience. what makes it so difficult to get proper care in terms of acceptance and support for dealing with my ME/CFS specific disabilities is the misconceptios on both sides -- the psychosmatic misconception as a cognitive-behviorial problem as well as the mislabeling as an 'autoimmune' or other named specific biomedical process when there is no good evidence for it (yet).

The quote from me "this is the right time for a documentary on ME/CFS to change people's outlook on autoimmune...etc." I actually couldn't find where you guys had pulled this from at first, until I realized it came from my bagelrun website, rather than the documentary domain (https://whatdoesntkillyou.movie/). I will just need to ask for some grace here- that page on my website was the first thing I mocked up for this project, and since then I have partnered with better informed individuals, and the direction I've take toward the project has largely shifted. I just removed this line from my personal website when I saw it was on there. First of all, I understand it is incorrect to label this as an autoimmune issue. Additionally, I've shifted directions from some sort of medical expose into more of a lifestyle documentary.

The reality is that people with ME feel that their stories are not being told. For any issues (also merits) that Unrest may have, it does have at least one great quote from Jennifer Brea: "Sickness doesn't terrify me and death doesn't terrify me. What terrifies me is that you can disappear because someone is telling the wrong story about you." I believe that control of your own story is tied to one's sense of identity, and I am hoping to help individuals who are suffering be able to reclaim this part of themselves.

We've been collecting tons of personal testimonials about ME and platforming them as part of our promotion. These are unedited other than trimming them down to fit media time restraints, and censoring anything that would get them struck down anyways. Please do not feel any obligation to participate, but if you have a story you would like to share, you can use the portal that Stephen setup here: mecfsstories.com

Please let me know any other questions you all have, or any concerns you have about the direction we are taking. Again, I want this film to be grassroots, and I need this kind of feedback. We are still in production, and I am learning everyday about this disease and this community.

Thank you for taking the time and energy to read this,

Trent Eliason
 
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Thank you very much for being here Trent, and for caring enough to make a film about ME/CFS. I find your responses very reassuring.

To explain about some of the posting that you might be finding a bit cryptic - Paul Garner, a professor of evidence-based medicine, suffered from persisting symptoms for some months after a Covid-19 infection. He immediately became a media personality, saying how bad it was and how people needed to understand. He was improving, and then seemed to be persuaded by a phone call from a proponent of the psychosomatic theory of causation that he was just frightened of being well/exercise/something. He has since gone on to relentlessly campaign for the psychosomatic theory.

So the arc of the Paul Garner story was one of 'this man could really help us' to 'this man is a major problem'. So, hence some of the comments above, including the reference to St Paul.

When you have finished this project, there are many other compelling ME/CFS-related stories waiting to be told. :)

There is a great video of doctors in the Netherlands affected by Long Covid, what the experience has been like, what they knew about ME/CFS-type illnesses before becoming ill and what they want doctors to know now - it would be great to have further versions of that in a range of languages. Link here.
 
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