Who is Simon Wessely?

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic news - ME/CFS and Long Covid' started by Sly Saint, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Like some mushrooms (the ones which are several miles tall, slightly warm, and a teeny bit radioactive), a devastating effect on all, blowing away ethical rationality and compassion wherever seen.
     
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    Oh, sure, ask the guy who should be famous for arguing that not once, not twice, not thrice, but about four distinct conditions that turned out to be entirely wrong. Somehow still credible, inexplicably.

    It's actually correct here but for the wrong reasons because it has nothing to do with actual symptoms, it's fake behavior and the guy who built his career arguing the same about genuine diseases can't tell it apart. There are so many famous cases of that, from snake handlers, faith healers who make people fall down by swatting them with a jacket and the very same with bullshido, where "masters" basically throw people to the ground by simply screaming.

    It's acting, you dumbass. There is no mass hysteria, people are simply playing along because they want to, not because they are unable to control themselves. Completely different thing and having nothing whatsoever to do with complex diseases Wessely denies exist.

    Again, the "bird expert" arguing that bats are clearly just a type of bird. It makes question both expertises if he insists they are one and the same. What tripe.
     
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    I couldn’t help wondering whether someone maybe dropped an acid tab into the street vendor’s rice cooker, especially as the girls carried out were all regulars.

    How bizarre to diagnose mass hysteria.
     
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    What were the 4 conditions? ME, GWI, and...
     
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    Aluminium poisoning
     
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    Yup, Camelford. This one the government apologized for, but the guy responsible for making up the lies is somehow blameless.

    Also he wrote an article in 2001 saying "9/11 WTC health problems are mass hysteria, an 'illness' of fear", also ignored. I guess jury is still kind of out on GWI, as far as some people are concerned anyway because they have made-up their mind and will never change. But with the 9/11 first-responders bill in the news recently it's disappointing that Wessely's baseless claims aren't considered controversial when they perfectly mirror the same failure with ME and GWI.
     
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    He is like a beautiful ocean liner.

    No, wait, that's the worst analogy ever.

    OK, the second worst.
     
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    Simon Wessely is a very influential quack.
     
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    Umm, so the weasel is an honorary woman now? :eek:
     
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    5 February 2020

    King's College London Regius Professor of Psychiatry appointed to ESRC Council
    enjoy your dream SW; just remember the nightmare you created for a lot of people
     
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    No bad deed ever goes unrewarded.
     
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    Give us the opportunity to influence policy without our views being hijacked and distorted by academics.

    https://madcovid.com/2020/05/04/giv...es-off-the-back-of-our-collective-experience/

    About more than Wessely himself but those are the relevant passages:
    https://twitter.com/user/status/1257324182553030660
     
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    Why is 'Woodstock' always a sort of mythical iconic event from the past?
     
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    Possibly because participants from both were away with the fairies.
     
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    Responding to a discussion on the Post covid thread.
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/possibility-of-me-or-pvfs-after-covid-19.14074/page-31#post-270272

    I remember Wessely talking about his education and his decision to do medicine. It seemed right from the start he wasn't interested in science, or in medicine, but more in a route into an easy to eminence and influence. He just loves being given awards and titles and being 'in' with powerful people and being treated as an expert (and being photographed with royals).

    So very early in his career he found a niche where he could be king, and, conveniently for him, he could invent a theory that didn't require any medical or scientific understanding or knowledge.

    Psychosomatic medicine is ideal for people like that - their patients rarely die, so it doesn't matter if they don't do anything useful for them, they won't be found out as useless.

    It's a field serious doctors avoid, so there won't be any danger of their lazy research and useless treatments being discovered to be fraudulent.

    And they can spend their medical consultations being 'wise' and 'helpful' to patients grateful to have someone to listen to them, and with symptoms that can be 'measured' only by questionnaire, so are amenable to persuasion to make it look like the 'treatment' is successful.

    And the crap research and treatment is so easy to do, you don't need either medical training or intelligence to do it, so they can train up idiots like Chalder and Moss-Morris, and make sure they get professorships too, so they can front the research and name the silly questionnaires after themselves, and then be on the front line to take the flak when the shit hits the fan, while the great eminence himself has moved on to higher things, like advising governments.

    Well that felt good writing that!
     
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