A compromised paraventricular nucleus within a dysfunctional hypothalamus: A novel neuroinflammatory paradigm for ME/CFS, 2018, Mackay, Tate.

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A compromised paraventricular nucleus within a dysfunctional hypothalamus: A novel neuroinflammatory paradigm for ME/CFS
Angus MackayWarren P Tate
First Published December 6, 2018
https://doi.org/10.1177/2058738418812342

A neuroinflammatory paradigm is presented to help explain the pathophysiology of myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS).

The hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus (PVN) is responsible for absorbing and processing multiple, incoming and convergent ‘stress’ signals, and if this cluster of neurons were affected (by neuroinflammation), the ongoing hypersensitivity of ME/CFS patients to a wide range of ‘stressors’ could be explained.

Neuroinflammation that was chronic and fluctuating, as ‘inflammatory-marker’ studies support, could reflect a dynamic change in the hypothalamic PVN’s threshold for managing incoming ‘stress’ signals.

This may not only be a mechanism underpinning the characteristic feature of ME/CFS, post-exertional malaise, and its associated debilitating relapses, but could also be responsible for mediating the long-term perpetuation of the disease.

Triggers (sustained physiological ‘stressors’) of ME/CFS, such as a particular viral infection, toxin exposure, or a traumatic event, could also target the hypothalamic PVN, a potentially vulnerable site in the brains of ME/CFS susceptible people, and disruption of its complex neural circuitry could account for the onset of ME/CFS. In common with the different ‘endogenous factors’ identified in the early ‘neuroinflammatory’ stages of the ‘neurodegenerative’ diseases, an as yet, unidentified factor within the brains and central nervous system (CNS) of ME/CFS patients might induce both an initial and then sustained ‘neuroinflammatory’ response by its ‘innate immune system’.

Positron emission tomography/magnetic resonance imaging has reinforced evidence of glial cell activation centred on the brain’s limbic system of ME/CFS patients. Neuroinflammation causing dysfunction of the limbic system and its hypothalamus together with a consequently disrupted autonomic nervous system could account for the diverse range of symptoms in ME/CFS relating, in particular to fatigue, mood, cognitive function, sleep, thermostatic control, gastrointestinal disturbance, and hypotension.
Bolding in the quoted text mine for clarity.
 
This is my theory of ME/CFS.

The PVN is involved in physiological stress responses, as evidenced in this old study:

The hypothalamic–neurohypophysial system regulates the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal axis under stress: An old concept revisited
Mario Engelmanna, Rainer Landgrafb, Carsten T. Wotjakb

Moderator note: Discussion of this theory and paper have been moved to a new thread here
 
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I'm skeptical to stress response being the root cause, whether physiological or psychological. Speaking of that, Cortene Inc. is currently trialing a drug (CT38) for ME/CFS patients that targets the stress receptors in the limbic system. I think ME/CFS is more complicated than that and that there are other factors that maintain the dysfunction of the immune and autonomic nervous system, but I hope I'm wrong and that CT38 or similar drugs would be able to "reset" the whole array of dysfunctions.
 
I have only read the abstract so far. The thing that strikes me about the last paragraph is that is doesn't mention my core symptoms, namely PEM, rapid muscle fatiguability and muscle pain.

Neuroinflammation causing dysfunction of the limbic system and its hypothalamus together with a consequently disrupted autonomic nervous system could account for the diverse range of symptoms in ME/CFS relating, in particular to fatigue, mood, cognitive function, sleep, thermostatic control, gastrointestinal disturbance, and hypotension.

I'll try to read the full paper to see whether these are addressed.
 
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I have only read the abstract so far. The thing that strikes me about the last paragraph is that is doesn't mention my core symptoms, namely PEM, rapid muscle fatiguability and muscle pain.

I'll try to read the full paper to see whether these are addressed.

I, too, don't think this proposed mechanism could account for the entirety of ME symptoms. I'm wondering, though, if each of the major subgroups has one unifying/primary pathology in common (let's say it's aggravated glial cells which trigger a neuroimmune cascade, just as an example), but with different areas of the central and peripheral nervous system affected secondary to that which might explain the varied symptoms between patient groups?

So GWI, for instance, has a theory that symptom clusters depend on whether it's the brainstem, dorsal root ganglia or both which are affected. Subtle variations are explained by the site of the lesion.

In this case, perhaps this model explains a secondary effect on the CNS which might explain a post-traumatic (e.g., surgery or a car crash) onset in a subgroup. The (usually physical) stressors at or around onset might cause a different symptom cluster to a purely post-viral group, for instance.

The core pathology creates the shared symptom complex (PEM, muscle fatiguability, etc) and secondary processes create the 'additional' or non-core symptoms.
 
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I have now read (rather quickly and sketchily) the whole paper.

I am bemused by the repeated insistence that depression is a core symptom of ME and emotional trauma one of several possible triggers and emotional stress listed among the perpetuating factors. I can see that emotional stresses can cause exacerbation of some symptoms, and depression can be a secondary result of coping with chronic illness, but to include these as core factors seems to me to have no foundation.

I am having difficulty connecting the fact that right from the start of my ME, my legs felt like they were going to collapse, after walking short distances, and became painful, and if I walked too far I got PEM. How can that be caused by alleged emotional trauma or perpetuated by emotional stress?

And how do we get from brain inflammation to muscle cells running out of energy?

I clearly don't understand physiology...
 
I can see that this is an attractive theory, that does potentially explain some symptoms. But I do wonder about how strong the foundations on which it is built are. This and other papers assume HPA axis dysfunction. I'm really not sure how strong the evidence is for that in ME/CFS.

This is from the Mackay Tate paper:

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The Tomas, Newton, Watson paper that is referenced is also free access. It notes that:
Tomas said:
Basal hypocortisolism was first reported in CFS patients in 1981 [21]. Cortisol concentrations have since been measured in blood, saliva, and urine in a number of studies with rather varying results (reviewed in [8]), but the notion of a hypocortisolaemic picture in CFS is supported by a meta-analysis [22].

I think the evidence of hypocortisolism in ME/CFS is weak, as is evidence for other possible HPA axis dysfunctions. It appears to me that researchers have found the idea of childhood trauma causing HPA axis damage so compelling that they can only view studies of HPA axis function in ME/CFS in a certain way. Although perhaps I haven't read the right studies yet.

For example this from the Tomas, Newton, Watson paper:
It is valuable to explore the mechanisms which may explain the HPA axis dysregulation seen in adults with CFS. Specific genes (acting on the HPA axis or otherwise) which confer an increased risk of CFS have not been identified. There is, however, evidence of a heritable component to the disorder [45]. In addition, the role of early adversity also warrants consideration, particularly given the evidence of an increased rate of childhood trauma in patients with CFS. Around 50% of patients report at least one type of childhood trauma [46, 47]. It has been estimated that childhood trauma increases the risk of CFS between 6- and 8-fold [33, 48] with a graded relationship between the severity of the trauma and the risk of developing CFS [33, 46, 48]. Furthermore, an increased severity of symptoms has been noted in those who report childhood trauma [48]. It is increasingly established in other disease areas that childhood trauma acting via the HPA axis impacts the risk of disorder in adulthood, but it must also be remembered that early adversity is a broad concept which encompasses much more than childhood physical, emotional, and sexual abuse and neglect.

Perhaps the theory of damage to the paraventricular nucleus holds up without evidence of cortisol levels (or DHEA or responses to ACTH challenge) being abnormal? I haven't read far enough yet.
 
This might be controversial but I think that very high levels of stress due to caring responsibilities for both parents may have contributed to my gradual onset ME. There was a 5 year period where the unpredictable and aggressive behaviour of parent with severe dementia affected my sleeping pattern even when I wasn’t in the same town as them let alone the same house. I believe caregiver stress has been documented in research and I consider as well as being psychologically hard to cope with that it had physical consequences for me. I had had chicken pox as an adult several years earlier and also in years following the worst caring experiences I had a lot of flu type infections and laryngitis which were sufficiently frequent to get me a bad sickness absence record at work and told my performance was unreliable. I couldn’t pinpoint exactly when I started getting the what I now know is PEM but it was after several years of pushing through frequent viral infections.
 
I have now read (rather quickly and sketchily) the whole paper.

I am bemused by the repeated insistence that depression is a core symptom of ME and emotional trauma one of several possible triggers and emotional stress listed among the perpetuating factors. I can see that emotional stresses can cause exacerbation of some symptoms, and depression can be a secondary result of coping with chronic illness, but to include these as core factors seems to me to have no foundation.

I am having difficulty connecting the fact that right from the start of my ME, my legs felt like they were going to collapse, after walking short distances, and became painful, and if I walked too far I got PEM. How can that be caused by alleged emotional trauma or perpetuated by emotional stress?

And how do we get from brain inflammation to muscle cells running out of energy?

I clearly don't understand physiology...
Aha! The abstract reads like it's more about physical stress (such as surgery or car crashes) than psychological stress. I've not read the full paper yet. Does it focus more on psychological stress then?

I can see that this is an attractive theory, that does potentially explain some symptoms. But I do wonder about how strong the foundations on which it is built are. This and other papers assume HPA axis dysfunction. I'm really not sure how strong the evidence is for that in ME/CFS.

This is from the Mackay Tate paper:

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The Tomas, Newton, Watson paper that is referenced is also free access. It notes that:


I think the evidence of hypocortisolism in ME/CFS is weak, as is evidence for other possible HPA axis dysfunctions. It appears to me that researchers have found the idea of childhood trauma causing HPA axis damage so compelling that they can only view studies of HPA axis function in ME/CFS in a certain way. Although perhaps I haven't read the right studies yet.

For example this from the Tomas, Newton, Watson paper:


Perhaps the theory of damage to the paraventricular nucleus holds up without evidence of cortisol levels (or DHEA or responses to ACTH challenge) being abnormal? I haven't read far enough yet.
Yes, I think the evidence of hypocortisolism is very patchy and unconvincing. I also would expect more obvious HPA markers (such as high or low adrenal levels) if it were core to the illness. We don't see that.
 
Does it focus more on psychological stress then?
No, but it lists emotional trauma among the triggers, and psychological stress among the perpetuating factors, and depression among the key symptoms.

I just singled them out as un-evidenced assumptions I'm not comfortable with that suggest to me a problem with diagnosis, possibly including things like burnout and depression which I would class as misdiagnoses.
 
No, but it lists emotional trauma among the triggers, and psychological stress among the perpetuating factors, and depression among the key symptoms.

I just singled them out as un-evidenced assumptions I'm not comfortable with that suggest to me a problem with diagnosis, possibly including things like burnout and depression which I would class as misdiagnoses.
Fair enough. Those are worrying signs, yes, and suggest taking research at face value (which we've all learned not to do, for the most part, because the conclusions are often so sketchy).
 
I'm skeptical to stress response being the root cause
I agree that 'stress' in the common sense of today (psychological stress) is not the root cause, which is my personal opinion. Klimas speaks of several stressors, like viral infection. "Stress" could be a contributor.

I came across endoplasmic reticulum stress which is defined as the increased misfolding of proteins in the ER and the start of a pathway that puts them away (like autophagy or apoptosis); amongst others, a certain enzyme is increased for this to work. ER stress can be the result of viral infections, hypoxia, starving, radical oxygen species etc. etc.

If anything doesn't work properly there, I ponder, the accumulation of misfolded proteins (and maybe the lack of correctly folded proteins?) maybe leads to certain biochemical processes and - maybe via feedback loops - to a pathomechanism. (The inhibition of pyruvate dehydrogenase is one consequence, amongst many others (there are many reasons for an inhibition of it).)

In fact, this leads to the biphasic model suggested by Davis, Phair, Klimas, where something pushes the body from a homeostasis in another homeostasis that leads to problems. Although I think they are considering another explanation.

I only hypothesize...
 
After trying to skim read this article I was forced to diagnose myself with an acute allergy to the word 'stress'. This really ought to be added to the list of possible ME symptoms. Like for ME, there's currently no cure for this allergy but symptom reduction may be achieved by placing heavy weights on one's knees to suppress the worst knee jerk reflexes. Keeping the broad dictionary definition of 'stress' on hand helps, too.

Anyway, I reread the article more carefully and noticed that the word 'stress' was in quotation marks throughout. Are the authors co-suffers of my allergy? Mind you, other words are consistently in quotation marks, too, so not sure what the intention with that is.

Next thing that struck me was the relative weight given to discussing fatigue and PEM. Compared to most other papers fatigue is less prominent and PEM gets more consideration. This is a welcome change. It's probably explained by this at the end of the article (bolding mine):
Declaration of conflicting interests
The authors have no conflict of interest or financial benefit from the ideas expressed, but direct (AM) and indirect (WT) in-depth experience of ME/CFS has inspired this contribution.
Digging deeper, as far as I can make out the key idea of the paper is that ME is primarily a neuroinflammatory condition of the CNS. That neuroinflammation just happens to hit a specific part within the hypothalamus, the hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus (PVN).

And the PVN has a central position in the brain. 'Stress' messages arrive there via different pathways. Psychological 'stress' signals come in from one path, viral infection 'stress' signals come in from a different path and so on.

These incoming signals cause and/or perpetuate and/or exacerbate inflammation in the PVN in (genetically?) susceptible individuals.

The inflammation then messes with outgoing signals, causing all sorts of symptoms. Areas located close to the PVN may also be affected so symptoms can differ depending on where exactly the inflammation in bad in an individual patient at a given time.

The above would explain why there are patients who believe their trigger was psychological stress and other patients who believe psychological stress had nothing whatsoever to do with it but that it was all due to a virus or some toxin. It would also explain why some patients suffer psychological symptoms and others do not.

Not saying that the proposed mechanisms are correct - I've no idea TBH, I'm not equipped to judge how strong the evidence is for the different dysfunctional processes referred to in the article - but there does seem to be some internal logic at least.

Where the paper really challenges my limited understanding of biology is where it discusses possible disease mechanism similarities between ME and some other major diseases.
An initial ‘neuroinflammatory’ response, due to persistently activated microglia and astrocytes, is reported to occur across ‘early-stage’ neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer’s disease (AD), Parkinson’s disease (PD), amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) and multiple sclerosis (MS). Intriguingly, what appears to differentiate their pathological outcomes are the presence of disease and (CNS) location-specific ‘endogenous factors’ that help stimulate and sustain each of these uncontrolled ‘inflammatory’ responses: ‘amyloid-beta’ for AD, ‘α-synuclein’ for PD, ‘mutant SOD1’ for ALS and ‘myelin-peptide-mimetic’ for MS.

Different triggers and predisposing factors, in combination with a disease-specific ‘endogenous factor’, for ME/CFS, inducing a similar type of initial ‘neuroinflammatory’ response, but at different locations within the CNS and with different pathological outcomes, seems plausible.
Is somebody able to explain, in very simple terms, when and how this unidentified 'endogenous' factor enters the picture, and its exact role?

If either of the authors is reading this, maybe you could respond? Correct any of our probably many misunderstandings? And it would be great to discuss your ideas further.
 
Thank you @Ravn for a more thorough reading of the paper than I managed. I also watched Jarred Younger's latest webinar yesterday. He has found signs of microglial inflammation in parts of the brain, but as far as I recall, in different areas.

I really should go back and watch the video again and re read this paper if I am going to make any sense of it all. Younger talked about the areas he found in terms of the sickness response (flu like malaise) rather than the stress related areas, I think. Clearly lots more to learn

Edit: The thread about the Jarred Younger research is here
 
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Evidence for HPA axis dysfunction in ME or CFS patients in general is very weak/inconsistent and any small groupwise differences found could be due to a few patients having another illness, or simply due to different day to day activity patterns between paitients and controls.

I get quite frustrated when seeing hypothesis papers like this, because it shows that when researchers develop hypotheses, they are often unable to obtain the resources to test them, but instead publish yet another unverified hypothesis to add the large pile.
 
what appears to differentiate their pathological outcomes are the presence of disease and (CNS) location-specific ‘endogenous factors’ that help stimulate and sustain each of these uncontrolled ‘inflammatory’ responses: ‘amyloid-beta’ for AD
At least for AD (and I remember PD and ALS were also discussed), research of the past < 5 years hints at a role of ER calcium homeostasis, and a disruption there seems to be the cause of why proteins misfold (in AD, it's amyloid beta proteins) and then accumulate. Details of Ca signaling pathways are the topic of very recent research, and there are still many gaps, including the consequences for disease, but it looks like a field that might change therapeutic options and our understanding of (at least some) diseases (like cancer).
 
Evidence for HPA axis dysfunction in ME or CFS patients in general is very weak/inconsistent and any small groupwise differences found could be due to a few patients having another illness, or simply due to different day to day activity patterns between paitients and controls.

I get quite frustrated when seeing hypothesis papers like this, because it shows that when researchers develop hypotheses, they are often unable to obtain the resources to test them, but instead publish yet another unverified hypothesis to add the large pile.
Hasn't Gordon Broderick looked at HPA dysfunction and Klimas. Biology in chaos. We need further work on it.
 
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