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BMJ: Rapid response to 'Updated NICE guidance on CFS', 2021, Jason Busse et al, Co-chair and members of the GRADE working group

Discussion in '2020 UK NICE ME/CFS Guideline' started by rvallee, Feb 25, 2021.

  1. chrisb

    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I forgot to add thatthis discovery of Cott's association with Prisma Health makes it important to discover what, exactly, was the Prisma to which Wessely acknowledged he gave unpaid advice and assistance round about 2001. He did say Prisma and not Prisma Health.

    There is a different PRISMA dealing with systematic reviews and meta analysis but it only adopted that name in 2009, before that being known as QUORUM. That would seem to be ruled out.

    It would certainly be worth knowing whether SW had input into the Canadian Insurance reference guide for clinicians.
    EDIT it has kindly been pointed out to me that we do know a little more about PRISMA.
    https://www.s4me.info/threads/gover...blishing-the-bps-model.2319/page-2#post-84353
     
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  2. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This reckons Prisma Health ...

    https://quackbengoldacre.wordpress.com/professorsimonwessely/
    But no indication of the authenticity of that information.

    Can't see a date for the article but will be no earlier than late 2004, given last paragraph.
     
  3. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    And this ...

    http://www.margaretwilliams.me/2001/information-on-cbt-wessely-and-prisma_2001.pdf
     
  4. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This 2001 document notes ...
    https://sacfs.asn.au/download/talking_point/Talking Point - 2001 Issue 3.pdf

    Edit: Forgot to include link. Page 24.
     
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  5. Arnie Pye

    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A rather tongue-in-cheek reply to this... If you want to get a flavour of how UK government works you could watch Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minster - well worth the effort even if rather outdated now.
     
  6. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Absolutely. Muted but influential conversations in the corridors of power, I'm sure. Why am I sure? ... because it is part of the human condition. It is a significant part of how those who wield soft power achieve what they do. Much of it off the written record. Much of done to be plausibly deniable. The likes of SW, and many others, excel at it.

    And it is nothing new. As old as modern humans itself most likely, possibly older.
     
  7. MSEsperanza

    MSEsperanza Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Only now I realized that Flottorp (aka SAF) is also a member of the GRADE Working group.

    She is also a member of the GRADE Guidance Group (G3):

    https://www.gradeworkinggroup.org/


    Edit: It seems Flottorp (SAF) was added later to the BMJ rapid response's declaration of competing interests, cf:
     
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