Gupta amygdala training program for ME/CFS, FM and Long Covid - news and discussion

Discussion in 'Psychosomatic theories and treatments discussions' started by Eagles, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Ash

    Ash Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This is a nightmare.

    Participation is gonna ruin the health physical, of any participants who are mod+ affected and not already on an up swing.

    It’s gonna ruin the mental health of anyone who does improve at the same time as participating leaving them potentially attributing this to the program, grandiose fantasies of a powerful mind that can overcome all obstacles. If they are lucky enough to maintain this improvement, then there will be a danger to the mental health of other patients who are not in recovery and come into contact with their over optimistic assessment of the recuperative potential of the program. Spreading misinformation at best, victim blaming ideology and material harm at worst.
     
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    It should be illegal.
     
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    This bit makes complete nonsense of the so called study:

    Of the 44 patients randomly assigned who completed baseline assessments, 21 patients completed the study (14 in the standard care group and 7 in the study group).

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    o fewer that one third of those treated with Gupta blah blah actually completed it.

    All this so called success claimed on the back of 7 people, and we don't even know whether they had CFS, CF or FM.

    Oops, no it gets worse, the abstract is not wholly honest. Here from the full paper:

    57 who agreed to participate
    13 dropped out before the first stage
    leaving 44 participants.

    And more revelations:
    Of the 21 completers: 3 had CF, 3 had FM and CF, 15 had FM

    The patients all had CBT/GET type of 'usual care' and the Gupta group had Gupta stuff as well.
     
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    Wyva Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Is that the kind of forgiveness expert that tells abuse victims to forgive their abusers, no matter what, even if the abuser never even admitted the harm? Because then I have no more questions.

    OK, according to this article, yes, he is that type.
     
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    amygdala retraining questionnaire retraining
     
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    A good blog, surveying the territory, from Long Covid Advocacy
    Tin Foil Hat Territory? The Gupta Program, the Lightning Process and the BPS in Long Covid and ME.
     
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    Heh, not quite true. It's not nearly as bad, but sickness is almost always awful and features a lot of that. The difference is that where it matters, they're treated mostly seriously, at least in most cases.

    But I've seen enough people with cancer saying they're sick of hearing this stuff to see the pattern. Magical thinking about health is probably older than religion itself, it's always been a feature of human intelligence, and with medicine embracing a lot of it in general, right now is pretty much the worst it's ever been, with the pandemic having made everything even worse than it was right before, and that was the worst it's ever been at this point.

    And of course one reason why people with 'respectable' diseases also get this is in part because of how it's abused with us. So it's bad for everyone, but unfortunately thrutiness matters more than truth, even in science. Human lives are cheap.
     

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