Gupta amygdala training program for ME/CFS, FM and Long Covid - news and discussion

I hate to think how much money we have collectively wasted over the years on some of this stuff.

 

LOL

*sob*

 

Maybe we could encourage one of them to sue the other for infringement of copyright? Although if Gupta/LP practitioners ended up in an expensive, mutually bankrupting trip to the High Court there is the very real risk I could die of a popcorn overdose.

 

Good for you!

It would be even more entertaining if we could get each to sue the other.

 

GUPTA PROGRAMME FOR ME, CFS, FIBROMYALGIA, MCS & GWS – (GUPTA AMYGDALA RETRAINING) shared their video.
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Are you an over-achiever? Have you ever wondered why? Society teaches us to honour left brain, patriarch type values about achievement, success and glory. We have become trained unconsciously for those things to be the most important factors in our lives. But today I am calling out for a massive shift in this type of thinking. We need to embrace what really matters in life before it is too late.


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Well, we all know why he is an 'over-achiever'..............

 

Is that a parody or is it really this ridiculous?

Because it kind of needs to be emphasized that the Venn diagram of this idiocy and the MUS nonsense that is being stacked on the NICE committee is close to a circle. It's kind of saying the same thing, just without the pretense and medical terminology scrabble.

What's their opinion on the causality of "refrigerator mothers" with autism or "cancer personalities"? Do they extend their quackery to all the nonsense that preceded their current recycled garbage?

I don't understand why barely anyone in medicine seems to recommend caution about something that has a ~99% failure rate and catastrophic consequences.

 

It seems many in the early stages of ME, are especially vulnerable to quackery. Even people with lots of training like alternative physicians who don't know much at all about ME can provide convincing treatment ideas. I saw various "well trained" practitioners for years with some harmful and expensive results. I feel like a lot of those practitioners are like spiders, just waiting in their webs to catch another unsuspecting victim.

The story about the blind men each trying to guess what the elephant is, is very true for ME. I saw various medical specialists who thought my illness fit in their bailiwick.

The perpetual mind over matter advice can be so harmful, and smug. Those who tell us to be positive seem to think they are superior. If only we would just be positive, we would be cured. And, if we don't get well, we have chosen to be sick. Very toxic, and blames the sick person.

There is a book about the problems with perpetual positivity. Can't recall the name right now. It sounded like a good read.

 

Unbelievably the ME Association have removed their article about the ASA complaint on Gupta and have nothing else on it. There is a passing mention in their
Alternative and complementary approaches to management download only.

I have never known the MEA remove anything before... what's going on? Has Gupta taken action against the MEA?

Archive of article - http://web.archive.org/web/20180413...me-for-me-cfs-and-fibromyalgia-11-april-2018/

 

in my experience, things often disappear because of glitches or some mis-coding that's happened as a site gets updated. I generally have found it's best to assume something has a technical explanation before assuming a nefarious one, unless I have other reasons to think otherwise.

 

Gupta crowdfunding for research

full details here
https://guptaprogram.com/es/crowdfunding/

posting for info only
not a recommendation to donate.

 

How awful, the big ME and LC orgs need to get a warning out on this one so good hearted people don’t fall into the trap of giving donations to a business enterprise disguised as scientific research and altruism.

 

Just looked up the Lead Researcher's Bio. Dr Loren Toussaint is a psychologist, regarded as a Christian "forgiveness expert" who has been a proponent of Gupta since at least 2012.

Interesting that in his 2012 study below he uses the term "chronic fatigue" and that Gupta was a successful treatment for the condition.

He then uses the (questionable) results of this 2012 study to suggest in his recent 2023 study how Gupta was shown to be successful in treating "ME/CFS":

https://www.researchgate.net/public...s_Related_to_Fibromyalgia_and_Chronic_Fatigue

https://www.researchgate.net/public...nd_Increases_Energy_in_People_with_Long_COVID

"Chronic fatigue" and "ME/CFS" are not one and the same.

 

"Independent" "study". Obviously there will be no objective outcomes. And calling this a study is a huge stretch. No one is studying anything, they are merely pragmatic trials through which astrological aromatherapy could pass if someone manages to get approval for a biased enough study. Administered by a commercial enterprise, who will choose biased mediocre academics, as is tradition.

There is nothing in academic literature that "points" to "central desensitization". It's a popular model that some people have labeled some things with, there is no evidence for any of this anymore than there is for the moon being made of cheese, which some people have pointed out. In children's books, sure, but what is even the difference here? Fantasy is fantasy, whether it is for children or adults changes nothing.

Also, cutting-edge? This stuff was heavily tried in the 60's, and hyped all the way to the late 20th century. Just because they changed a few words here and there and move this way instead of that way, or whatever, doesn't change anything.

I guess the wheel must be cutting-edge by that definition.