Michael Sharpe skewered by @JohntheJack on Twitter

Yes, he does think people will believe whatever lies he spins. It worked so well before, it works for other 'important people' so why not a 'respected' liar like him. The real problem is its no longer working as well, he thinks he can recapture past glory by being persistent in what worked before and quelling this insurrection.

This is the trap we keep falling for, taking lairs statements and dignifying them with responses just wastes our energy and time to keep us from the truth
In the end we don't need to try to convince them because we simply can't. We need to make them look the fools they are for others to see.
I will bet money he does know the difference between objective and bias but it suits his goal to pretend his obfuscations are true. We have to not forget this, the best reality deniers know what reality is, they just choose to believe in lies and use any means necessary to defend them.

Not forgot, they believe in their garbage model. Faith often requires distortions from reality denial to forgetting to rationalizations, to cognitive bias... The list goes on because its not about science, its about their belief in their garbage model which has to be defended at any cost.

Indeed, i am a big fan of skewering people with their own actions and words.

 

Then the CBT can’t possibly be helping. If conditioning is the cause of a relapse, then how does CBT simply get “forgotten”. It makes no sense.

 

But SW says "muscles being neither weak nor fatiguable", so their not being weak must surely mean they are not deconditioned.

 

Which is the heart of the matter, and why it is such a pile of poo.

 

Is this something that needs to be spelled out to NICE? because it seems pretty crucial. Can they be trusted to pick up on it themselves?

 

Its much more taxing on muscles to try to carry round an adult frame when the neurological currents are not sending sufficient signals though the mass.

Hence ones exertion is done in shorter periods of time with the same amount of strain that would be expended in the normal amounts of time in a healthy person.

Lack of atrophy does not prove endurance capabilities.

 

This tallies very much with what I observe with my wife. For a while now I have realised one of the great ironies for mild/moderate PwME such as my wife: my wife is actually pretty fit ... except it's as if someone has turned her fuel tap partly closed. For a while she can get on fairly OK, like she's using up the fuel left in the pipe, and during that time her muscles are working well, and it is clear are not the root of her problem, her muscles are not at all wasted. It's so bl**dy obvious to anyone who chooses to share some time with PwME, and these psychiatrist just cannot see what is under their noses. My wife is in pretty good condition in terms of her fitness, because a) Her ME is not severe enough to prevent her doing physical activity to a reasonable degree, and b) Her mindset is to do the best she is capable of. But then the fuel in the pipe runs out, and she is then stuffed until more fuel manages to get past the part closed tap again. Severely limited energy flow is her problem.

I sometimes think it might be easier to run biomedical research on those less severely afflicted with ME, because they are less likely to have additional comorbid conditions to confuse the findings. The more the fuel tap is turned off, the more people's basic life support systems are going to be affected and cause additional symptoms, these additional symptoms being consequential and therefore secondary to the primary cause of the ME.

I say this because from an engineering perspective, when trying to chase down an obscure problem, it is often best to come up with the simplest, least cluttered test case that you can initially, to home in on the primary issue, and then once you have done that it becomes simpler to then apply that new found knowledge to the more complex cases. I do appreciate it is much more complex with people of course, but I would think the same basic rationale would still apply.

I also do wonder that the differences between severe and mild ME may not be so much about different disease mechanisms, but maybe simply down to how badly restricted the energy flow is. I think it inevitable that the more restricted a person's energy conversion rate is, the more complex the knock-on consequences are going to be, because everything a person's body needs to do requires energy, and the more a person's life support systems start to become affected, the more numerous and obtuse some of the consequential effects are going to be. To me it seems sort of obvious that as you progressively turn off someone's energy tap, more and more symptoms are going to materialise.

 

Not sure if you misunderstand me here @large donner. I'm saying that I do not believe the problem is with muscles, but I believe the problem is with energy supply to those muscles. An engine can be in perfect working order, but if the fuel flow to it is restricted, then it cannot provide the mechanical energy it is designed to, because energy out needs energy in ... and it ain't going in.

 

I didn't misunderstand you I just used your post as a talking point on that topic.

 

You don't maintain a house of cards by testing its structural integrity with a machete

As we see in politics lies have great persuasive power.

This is true but also a part of the problem. They don't often squirm, they lie or obfuscate or refuse to believe their way out of things. Mainstream media and many people still believe that facts will pave the way to success, but it does not, you can't convince people who willfully deny reality to acknowledge it, and questioning them about it to no end just wastes time and gives intuitive lies a chance to flourish.
The best way to deal with them is not to try to convince them or challenge them directly to cover for their lies, but to show their malfeasance and destroy their credibility so a better way can take over.
In a way this is a subtle distinction on actions but the results are superior.

I also like assuming there is a can opener.

 

I agree, legal hearings are a great, great trial that i would love to attend

True but i'd rather see it collapse today then tomorrow

So thats what made the cow spherical

 

That arranged can be.
With our new patented Time Machine™️ we can travel into the future, get the cure and travel back to each of our infection dates and cure it.

 

That depends, in preliminary testing we ended up with many paradoxes involving 42 Martians and Planets of Apes. We did however end up with lots of fish

 

That' s basically what the Myhill, Booth et al papers are about- as well as stuff stuck to translocator membranes which partially block route. There is an energy score produced which has a close correlation with the Bell fatigue scale.