Muscle abnormalities worsen after post-exertional malaise in long COVID, 2023/4, Wüst, van Vugt, Appelman et al

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  1. DMissa

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    I did a kind of experiment on myself while I had about 5 weeks of post-COVID symptoms (mostly cognitive issues + light sensitivity + fatigue, feeling like I needed to turn it in for the day by 1 pm). I had regular exposure to cognitive exertion by trying to work intensively as normal - I always recovered from it come the next morning. I tried vigorous cardio on an exercise bike for about 30 minutes, one time early in the day before I was wiped out and once late in the day after I was wiped out. Both times, I got very dizzy and cognitively useless and woke up still feeling the same for all of the following day, but much more strongly in the latter case where I was already cognitively exhausted before exercising. Felt like it transported me a fortnight backwards. I had no muscle pain or weakness in any of these scenarios.

    So yes, my experience with a kind of PEM was definitely exercise-induced and not cognitively-induced. Just another anecdote and I am sure others may have different experiences and I do not wish to minimise those.

    Sidenote (speaking of anecdotes) at another time I was disabled for nearly a year with effectively no physical activity and very minimised manual activity around the house. I had objective deconditioning evident from hand-grip strength tests recorded over time and undertaken by an unbiased professional. I had zero ME/CFS / LC -esque symptoms associated with my deconditioning ;).

    So in my experience, empirical muscle deconditioning had no relationship to ME etc as I understand it (as we would expect, not being BPS people), while exercise, specifically, strongly induced something like PEM during a nasty post-COVID period.
     
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    I did a power walk 5 week post Covid infection after I felt recovered and woke up the next morning unable to stand or walk for 3.5 weeks. No negative effect on my cognitive functions. It was not delayed PEM as I experience with M.E.

    Same thing happened in 1992 post-infectious viral infection after 9 months. Exercised a bit and couldn't walk for 5-6 months after. It was my first "PEM" experience with no cognitive issues or other symptoms except for my legs muscles that I exercised.
     
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    Watch! Solve Ramsay Research Grant winner Rob Wüst, PhD presents "Skeletal Muscle Fatigue & Post-Exertional Malaise (PEM) in People with Long Covid & Implications for ME/CFS."

    Dr. Wüst received a Solve M.E. Ramsay Research Grant in 2022 to study muscle pain, PEM, and treatments for pain and malaise in patients with diseases like Long Covid and ME/CFS. He found that, at the physiological and molecular levels, PEM differs from general fatigue. These differences have big implications for how physical exercise affects patients with Long Covid or ME/CFS.

    In this webinar, Dr. Wüst updates us on his studies of these two central symptoms of Long Covid and ME/CFS (PEM and general fatigue), and answers questions from attendees.

    Watch here:
    https://ow.ly/fXYf50TCPwQ

     
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