Muscle abnormalities worsen after post-exertional malaise in long COVID, 2023/4, Wüst, van Vugt, Appelman et al

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  1. Andy

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    That's another great response from the team.

     
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    No wonder it has been targeted by the BPS crowd.
     
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    Has there been follow up on these people? It would also be interesting to test L-C's before and after the H1 and H" blocker protocols, which have helped some people.
    Problem of use of the term PEM vs exercise intolerance vs exertion intolerance.
    Sorry if others have already pointed this out.
     
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    Does he say why only on day 2? Why not on day 1?
     
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    Their criticism is primitive because they want an easy message to replace the false consciousness or false illness belief which they claim afflicts ME/LC sufferers. If they could get a result out of telling sufferers that they were going to send George Bush into their ears in a yellow submarine to smoke out evil , they would. They are not really interested in objective analysis but in whatever they can get to work in some and the rest "will have to go somewhere else".
     
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    Quite a few other long COVID adjacent papers in the top 25. Almost as if, you know, long COVID is common and people have to read papers for themselves since doctors don’t usually bother to learn.
     
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    @Grigor

    Can you post the content of your responses here? Not everybody has a Linkedin account.
     
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    I'm getting a message that the linked in pages don't exist.
     
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    Hm strange. I'll consider posting it on my website.
     
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    Sorry to pull up an old post, it just might be relevant for something else I'm chasing down. @Jonathan Edwards did you ever get more details as to whether it is likely the signal came from nerves? I'd be very interested if it wasn't in fact nerves
     
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    My understanding is that, that data will all be in the soon to published ME/CFS paper, where the ME/CFS data from this paper is coming from.
     
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    Oh wonderful, thanks for letting me know.
     

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