News about Long Covid including its relationship to ME/CFS 2020 to 2021

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Rather good video on Long Covid. However it remains in the format of personal vignettes, there's basically zero journalism effort giving it context, it shows the impact on 3 people and some comments from physicians (who seem to be slowly getting it) but it simply gives no information about how large or significant it is.

It's otherwise a fair account but it simply did not bother looking at the broader context. It mentions one of the patients was diagnosed with CFS and POTS and that's it, not even curious about why a "new condition" could somehow have old diagnoses, unable or unwilling to make the connection. The diagnoses aren't even mentioned in the article, only in the video.

What reporting is coming out of journalism is simply inadequate. If there's anything we can do better moving forward it would be this, producing informative media content. As long as the public doesn't know how significant there is, and medicine won't do that, it simply won't take it seriously. Journalism isn't up for it because they will turn to medical advisers who are more likely than not to mislead them.

There's a ~19 min. video with interviews with some patients and physicians. It's frankly honest, begins with the most important feature that's being largely suppressed by health care systems: that it can happen to anyone at any time and there will simply be no help whatsoever available if it happens to you. That was the fear with AIDS and the threats over the blood supply. This is the message that can get through to people because it's the simple unvarnished truth.


Why are they still sick? The latest clues in the mystery of COVID-19 long haulers
https://globalnews.ca/news/8424118/covid-19-long-haulers-mystery-clues/

Almost two years into the pandemic, there are a growing number of people who were sick and are not getting better. They are known as COVID-19 long haulers, people living with unexplained symptoms including pain, exhaustion and debilitating brain fog. As Robin Gill found out for The New Reality, experts are trying to unravel the mystery of why people are still sick and who appears to be at more risk.​
 
https://patient.info/news-and-features/why-is-mecfs-research-key-to-understanding-long-covid

"Why is ME/CFS research key to understanding long COVID?"

"A large number of people with long COVID are reporting similar symptoms to those who have myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS). Scientists are now researching the similarities between the two conditions. Many hope that exploring this interconnection will result in a better understanding of both long COVID and ME/CFS."
 
A newly set up long covid children’s clinic at my neighbouring large teaching hospital trust.

https://www.cuh.nhs.uk/news/childrens-service-to-monitor-omicron-impact/

I was pleased to see something at least in place until I read the following:

“GPs, community nurses, and local paediatricians will be able to access new online resources outlining the investigations needed to make a definitive long Covid diagnosis, and the regional and hospital resources that are in place to help young people and their families”.

“Team members include occupational therapists, physical therapists and psychologists, who rub shoulders with many other paediatricians and experts in child care. They will focus on pain, chronic fatigue, mood, anxiety, motivation, and ways to re-access education and social groups”.

I shouldn’t be surprised but these poor children.... I wonder what experts they will be “rubbing shoulders” with.
 
rvallee said:
If there's anything we can do better moving forward it would be this, producing informative media content. As long as the public doesn't know how significant there is, and medicine won't do that, it simply won't take it seriously. Journalism isn't up for it because they will turn to medical advisers who are more likely than not to mislead them.
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Same energy. Also waiting for this stuff to be produced by others is how we get hot garbage like Afflicted. The only benefit of an empty space is that if you're first, you can occupy it in full. The rest of the world is sleepwalking through this, might as well take advantage.

 
Danish news report today of a study on long term symptoms in children post covid-19 infection.

Aalborg University Hospital presents the study on their website and writes that sequelae after covid-19 infection in adults have been thoroughly examined and described (sic), but that until now the knowledge about long term symptoms in children has been low.

In order to be able to isolate symptoms caused by coronavirus from symptoms caused by social restrictions, the study has also examined children's well-being during the pandemic.

The result of the study is that 0.8% of children who have been infected with the virus, have experienced long term symptoms compared with children who have not tested positive for corona virus. Older pupils had more long term symptoms than younger pupils.

The most common symptoms for all age groups were fatigue, reduced ability to smell/taste, reduced muscle power. Other symptoms were chest pain, dizziness and problems with breathing.

The symptoms cleared in most children after 1-5 months.

33 000 children participated. Half of them had not tested positive, and this group had more concentration difficulties, headache, muscle ache, dizziness, cough, diarrhoea, nausea and fever than the group that had tested positive. The researchers therefore suggest that these symptoms are not symptoms of corona virus sequelae. When asked by the Danish public broadcaster if there might have been children in the control group who actually have had corona, one of the researchers doesn't rule it out.

The study has been accepted by European Journal of Pediatrics, but hasn't been published yet, so it's difficult to check the hospital's interpretation and presentation of the results.

Aalborg Universitetshospital Kun få børn oplever senfølger efter coronavirus
google translation: Only a few children experience late sequelae of coronavirus
 
The Norwegian public broadcaster has today an article about a treatment offer in Bergen municipality for Long Covid. It is run by a physiotherapist and an occupational therapist who saw the need for rehabilitation for these patients, but that a suitable offer for the patient group was lacking, so they made their own. The director of the Norwegian Directorate of Health says that we know more today about the virus now than two years ago. "But we understand that people can get anxious when they experience persistent ailments, even if they are declared recovered. Fortunately, most will get back to a normal life eventually".

No word about PEM, pacing or chronic illness post viral infection.

The article links to the rehabilitation offer which is a group session twice a week for eight weeks.

What they offer is:
- meet others in same situation
- share experiences
- challenge oneself in safe surroundings
- work towards previous physical, psychological and cognitive function
- get a better understanding of one's situation

NRK: Simon (27) ble ikke frisk etter korona - nå har han fått hjelp
google translation: Simon (27) did not recover from corona - now he has received help
 
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What We’ve Learned About Identifying And Treating Long-Haul COVID

This is from a show on National Public Radio in the US.

The physician at Johns Hopkins brings ME/CFS into the conversation.

Dr. Igor Koralnik throws out some percentages he is seeing at Northwestern Medicine. I was left with the impression that Dr. Igor thinks long Covid is an auto immune disorder.

https://the1a.org/segments/what-weve-learned-about-identifying-and-treating-long-haul-covid/
 
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Good thread with many reports from around the world. One thing I notice in every country's health care systems messaging about Long Covid is that it's almost all fully independent, no one looks elsewhere, only inward. No one compares to other countries, or even acknowledges it, hence we have absurd things like in Sweden talking about weird cultural factors, always framed from their own cultural lenses, not bothered that none of those likely apply elsewhere. This has been seriously bizarre from the start but that it just keeps going is simply absurd.

 
Long covid symptoms among hospital inpatients show little improvement after a year, data suggest
BMJ 2021;

"patients in the “very severe” group had higher levels of substances associated with whole body inflammation, tissue damage, and tissue repair, while those reporting poor cognition appeared to have higher levels of substances linked to “brain fog,” suggesting possible neuro-inflammation."

rest at: https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3092.short?rss=1

Pre-print of the original (pre)publication https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.13.21267471v1.full.pdf+html

Anybody know what substances are linked to brain fog?

ETA: Chalder is one of the many authors on the preprint
 
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Anybody know what substances are linked to brain fog?
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The preprint does not say anything about brain fog.

They found higher levels of CD70 which may be relate to neuroinflammation but I am not sur that has anything to do with brain fog.

The news item in the BMJ is by the journalist who has got things muddled before. She may have had a quiet word with Dr Chalder even.
 
https://www.wypr.org/show/midday/20...-covid-views-from-doctors-advocates-survivors

"Living with Long-Haul COVID: Views from doctors, advocates, survivors"

"Tom is then joined by Emily Taylor, the Director of Advocacy and Community Relations at Solve M.E., an organization dedicated to ending chronic fatigue syndrome. Solve M.E. co-founded the Long COVID Alliance."

Some notes:

20-min mark, Dr. Ann Parker: "First step is acknowledging that there's a lot we don't know. Sometimes that's what we start with. We carefully listen to them first. One of the most important things we can do is acknowledge that their symptoms are real. To acknowledge the complex, multi-factorial symptoms and to support our patients as we learn more as a scientific and medical community, and to assure them that we are going to continue to share and apply the knowledge that we're gaining on a population level to support them on their recovery."

22 min mark, Dr. Alba Azola "One of the greatest sources of information on how to manage these patients has come from those who have studied for decades other post-viral illnesses. We have been able to reach out within our own institution to those who have been working for decades on these illnesses, for example Dr. Peter Rowe, to pass on that knowledge and be able to utilize what they have gained through their experience in clinical and medical management of these patients."

Emily Taylor joins from the 27 min - 39 mark:
- Several listeners call in with questions, as well as host questions. Here are 2:

Q: “What is the relationship of LC & ME/CFS”
A: “The 2 diseases are very similar both in prevention and in symptomology and as the amazing doctors both on this show just shared, a lot of those experts are those with institutional knowledge, they have generations of data and experience treating post-viral patients and that data and knowledge is vital for treating LC - the major symptoms including potential treatments are being explored side by side so that both of these patient populations can be helped by the research being done”

Q: From a caller, “has the pandemic shaken doctors that they are naturally overcoming the institutional bias against post-viral illnesses?”
A: “I could not agree more, absolutely. I think the awareness and coverage like this, that brings attention to so many suffering from LC and other post-viral illnesses is critical. We are seeing some major shifts in policy, practice, and funding that are reflective of this increased awareness and acceptance. But the caller is right, it’s not enough and not happening fast enough, too many people are failing through the cracks of the medical care system. Not being believed is unfortunately very common. It’s a real lack of understanding that we’re fighting but it’s going to take time.”

Chimére Smith, LC patient advocate at the 48 minute mark - “A lot of us have lost our jobs, our homes, we are hungry. I can’t tell you how many times I get on social media throughout the day and I see another LC patient create a Go-Fund Me page. I know this because I did it too. We need to think long and hard about what’s happening when tons and tons of people can no longer work and function all at the same time. The workforce has begun to suffer, no longer able to play an active part. I did not intend to leave my career.”
 
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The problem of how useless single-point in time assessments are for a chronic illness with fluctuating symptoms has been endlessly frustrating to me. I seem to have been mostly alone in being annoyed by this for the most part, this is the first time I have seen anyone else use the same terms, the same annoyance over being equivalent to a single screenshot from a movie and how reliable it is at telling the whole story (spoint alert: never is):



Which to me is like assessing the speed of a vehicle at a random point during travel and extrapolating from it, regardless of whether it was taken at a red light, back road with a low speed limit or a German highway. It's worse than pointless, it's completely misleading. Might as well estimate annual pumpkin sales futures from a single week in mid-October.
 
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