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  1. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Johannes Klæbo has won 5/5 gold as the ongoing Skiing World Championship. He’s aiming for 6/6.

    An important measure is that he is isolating in order to avoid infections. He has only met his girlfriend 10 times since October. He has a cohort that consists of 4 people, and he refuses close contact with anyone. Even the people in the cohort has to keep a distance of at least 2 meters.

    There’s no mention of covid specifically.

    - Do you think anyone thinks it's a bit hysterical?​

    - "Yes, I think so. It's a bit hysterical, but that's the way it has to be when you have to make it probable that you won't get sick," says Lasse Gimnes. (His media advisor)​

    https://www.nrk.no/skivm/ski-vm_-jo...tak-_-familien-om-hans-_ko-ko_-liv-1.17315817
     
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    Eleanor Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That's just reminded me of when the TV dietician Gillian McKeith told people that when you eat green vegetables the chlorophyll oxygenates your blood.
     
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    Lmao, that’s on par with Trump’s suggestion of using light to kill the virus in people’s lungs!
     
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    Midnattsol Moderator Staff Member

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    Good for him. I was a bit annoyed when they said masks didn't work (funny how the skiing people manage to use FFP2's when health care do not..), nice to see they seem to learn after some bouts of illness (i seem to remember he had to pass on some training, and did he miss a competition as well? I'm not really following more than the headlines).
     
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  5. Utsikt

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    He got some kind of respiratory thing (forkjølelse) a month ago and had to stop his high altitude program in Switzerland.

    Whenever I mention athletes using masks, the default response seems to be that they are ‘extreme’ and that it isn’t applicable to regular people..
     
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    I get the same response. But I don't get it with all the people saying they are indispensable at work and other stuff. And in my field with many having temporary positions and strict deadlines... why not avoid illness? The high levels of sick leave is placing many under "extreme" levels of pressure too.

    I wore a mask at my job interviews and landed a new job tho :thumbup:
     
  7. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Good for you (and the employer)!
     
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  8. Midnattsol

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    Not to brag but I agree :whistle:

    ME is sadly become a topic in the election for a new team to lead the largest university in Norway, University of Oslo.

    Harald Eia, standup comedian with a background in sociology is part of one of the teams. Eia has discussed ME in his podcast and on TV, in a poor fashion (we have a thread on the podcast episode here), and now sadly he has been restating misinformation about ME in the election campaign :banghead:

    In Norwegian: "Jeg har mye å lære" ("I have much to learn")
    It's a reply to another piece on why he shouldn't be part of UiO's leadership, citing his poor behavior in the ME podcast/TV episode as one reason.
     
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    oh, that was really bad. he's actually doubling down on his support of the Oslo Chronic Fatigue Consortium and says they are the only research group actively searching for treatments for ME.
     
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    AI-translation and I’ve added some line breaks for my own comments. The first part is not included because it pertained to something else.
    Apparently, the accused gets to decide what was problematic and not.
    If you should have said something else, it was about what you said. And we don’t know that it cannot be understood only biomedically.
    As opposed to the reductionist psychosomatic understanding?
    This was very recently discussed here.
    The national expertice service (NKT) is staffed by Wyller’s former students and they are acitvely working to eradicate the ME/CFS diagnosis. We all know OCFN.

    This argument also shows a strange logical flaw in his reasoning, as he seems to think that something becomes scientifically valid if a scientist agrees with it. That’s obviously not true, it only become valid based on its own merit. This kind of thinking should exclude him as a candidate, regardless of his opinions.
    This is a blatant lie, we’ve got e.g. Fluge, Mella and Tronstad, in addition to the ME Association (FUNCAP and their research fund)
    Lies, lies and more lies.
    I think it’s reasonable to assume that he implies that he’s afraid due to activists.
    If you twist the criticism to fit your own worldview, you’re not going to learn anything. In fact, all you’ve done is to double down on your lies.
     
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  11. Midnattsol

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    Interesting he spends so much time on the ME bit, it's not like he's not criticised for other stuff I'd think he is more infamous for.
     
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    He probably wants to suck up to the reseachers that he so boldly tries to protect.
     
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    And use some buzzwords.
     
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    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    To demonstrate how scientific he is! At least he knows his audience.
     
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    Leaving aside that this is a blatant insulting lie, even if it was true the question then becomes why, which leads to asking how the psychosomatic crowd have managed to become so dominant that they can block any research into alternative explanations.

    And answers to that that might be more than a little embarrassing for them.
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This is actually hilarious considering that there are literally dozens of groups doing exactly the same things, for the same reasons and with the exact same beliefs. They are basically a dime a dozen, and you can get 25% more with every purchase.

    Also, you know, the whole RECOVER initiative, which actually does this, albeit poorly, as opposed to their clowning around for decades.

    No honor among quacks.
     
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    Dr Judith Bruchfeld, of the post-covid clinic at Karolinska in Sweden, thinks back to how it all started.

    Långtidscovid: "Från tanke till öppen mottagning tog det 6 veckor"
    https://www.karolinska.se/om-oss/centrala-nyheter/2025/03/covid-del-5-langtidscovid/
     
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    Paywalled news article.

    Kroniskt misstrodd
    https://www.flamman.se/kroniskt-misstrodd/
     
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    I’d say we’re equally terrible.
     
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    Press release by the Swedish Covid Association. In a post on Facebook they write:
    Sifo: 280 000 svenskar är drabbade av postcovid
    https://covidforeningen.se/sifo-280-000-svenskar-ar-drabbade-av-postcovid/

    Google Translate (English).
     
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