Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

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  1. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    I can't help thinking of him as doing public penance for daring to speak heresy against the BPS religion.
     
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    Dr. Fallacy
     
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    Bit silly to film some of it in his back garden? (or it might be his friend's back garden? In which case it was them who were silly)

    ETA just after 4 minutes.
     
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    I think it's probably his house. Nice gaff! as they say...
     
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    The thumbnail for that video is so unflattering to PG it's actually very funny.
     
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    There is going to be another film which explains the process of recovery or something like that.
     
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    What possess the man to keep going on and on about it. Quite bizarre really. Patronising clap trap to most people. It's like he's never understood a word of his medical training. Where does he show objective evidence for anything. All fluff and opinion
     
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    Homeopathists would in the same way as those with beliefs about exercise are now.
     
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    Isn't it part of the 'treatment' to tell everyone you are better. The question I have is who is arranging the media blitz (and I would say being quite unethical in using garner's beliefs).
     
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    I live in Liverpool, I know where that is. Anyone who knows Liverpool will know (or be able to find easily I think) where that is. I'm in Wales currently, theoretically on holiday... Though given the wet, windy, cold, horrid weather might be tempted to go home to Liverpool! Sorry, off topic!
     
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    With apparently further videos to follow, where presumably he will expand on the "knowledge and "techniques needed to deal with symptoms, and help to recover" (paraphrased). Is it significant that the first line is "I am a Professor of infectious diseases"? Is this done to try and give it medical credibility, would it constitute medical advice, and should there be negative consequencies to anyone following his advice, would their be reprecussions?
     
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    I suspect it's a direct response to all the criticisms of him and CG on the BBC interviews and their stance that he was a private individual and not making a statement as a medical 'expert'.

    So it's to clarify that he is making such statements as a medical 'expert'.

    Dunno really, I pretty much read as that and stopped watching.
     
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    Ah, but his specialty (EDIT is) infectious diseases, and he has chosen the realm of psychiatry.
     
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    I really need to know if he's still planning teaching that course on "evidence synthesis" that was listed on his university webpage the last time I checked. How does this approach fit in?
     
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    Am I right in thinking that all the other pseudoprofessors have gone bit quiet except Garner? Has he not noticed that the Fat Lady has already sung on this story? Will Cochrane be organising a discreet neutralization?
     
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    Someone is organizing press coverage for him. He may just be seen as a better press spoke person.
     
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    I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that, if he stuck to evidence rather than flights of fancy, he could, as an Infectious Diseases doctor have said 'post-viral fatigue syndrome following a viral infection is common. Most people will recover spontaneously in 6 months, and nearly everyone will be recovered by 2 years.' Surely that would give relief?

    Every time I read something from this man since his recovery, I am struck by how easy it is for people, even people who have been fortunate enough to receive many years of education, to delude themselves and believe really stupid stuff.
     
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    Maybe Swiss Re, Science Media Center or the PACE authors are involved? I hope we one day find out more about who has been orchestrating this campaign against ME and LC. Is someone paying a professional to influence society's views through this media coverage?
     
  19. Trish

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    He did quite a lot of media in the early days post covid when he thought pacing was the way to go, and the MEA was helpful. I think he's discovered he enjoys being taken seriously by the media, and his new best BPS friends are surely egging him on. Surely some time other medics who haven't recovered from long Covid will tell him he's talking rubbish.
     
  20. Jonathan Edwards

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    I think the press just like a professor who talks touchyfeely bullshit. He is wonderful material - splurging nonsense about stress.
     

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