USA: Mount Sinai PACS clinic and Dr David Putrino



This feels like a very tense moment online for many people who are part of the clinical, scientific and patient communities in #LongCOVID, #MECFS and other related complex chronic illnesses. People are angry and with very good reason: we have a number of complex chronic…..

Long thread by Putrino where he claims he needed security protection in the Netherlands due to threats against him.

Honestly don’t know what this is all about but I’m sure someone here does.
 


This feels like a very tense moment online for many people who are part of the clinical, scientific and patient communities in #LongCOVID, #MECFS and other related complex chronic illnesses. People are angry and with very good reason: we have a number of complex chronic…..

Long thread by Putrino where he claims he needed security protection in the Netherlands due to threats against him.

Honestly don’t know what this is all about but I’m sure someone here does.

I used https://unrollnow.com/ to access the whole thread:
This feels like a very tense moment online for many people who are part of the clinical, scientific and patient communities in #LongCOVID, #MECFS and other related complex chronic illnesses. People are angry and with very good reason: we have a number of complex chronic
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illness diagnoses that are associated with devastating effects on quality of life and severe disability and we still have no biomarkers, no approved treatments and minimal amounts of access to informed and compassionate care. There is vehement disagreement on how to parse the
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problem (e.g. "lumpers" vs. "splitters"...I am a splitter) and if I'm being brutally honest, its hard not to feel like a failure as a clinician or a researcher most days. Here are a few truths and I hope people are prepared to really hear them:
1) Patients and their allies
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have every right to criticize, question and press researchers and clinicians. It would be great if this could be done respectfully, but the research and clinical communities must also understand and accept when frustration and anger come through. This is a frustrating
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situation and anger is a reasonable emotion. To everyone on here working on or living these extraordinarily hard problems: you have every right to your frustration and anger, but please try to stop short of abuse and ad hominem attacks.

2) Clinicians and researchers: Please
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understand that there is a power differential between you and the patient community. This power differential must be acknowledged and honored. Full stop. It is healthy and wise to take breaks from social media if you are feeling attacked online. It is also healthy to sometimes
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reset and decide if you even want to continue to engage with online communities on X. It is NOT OK to threaten folks with leaving the field or halting research unless people online "act right". TBC: I'm not saying that every clinician and researcher should have to withstand
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non-stop abuse or angst or attacks online, I'm just reminding my colleagues that this platform is just one way of interacting with a community, and that you hold a position of power that must be acknowledged. If being on X isn't working for you, don't do it. If working in a
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specific field of research or clinical practice isn't working out, you can also leave without making threats. This isn't an airport - no need to announce your departure.

3) Researchers and clinicians DO have a right to speak out and respectfully set straight sources of
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threats were made against @miketweetchap, a fundamentally decent and kind man living with #LongCOVID who put literally everything he had into this conference with nothing but the purest intentions of making a difference for the community. You may say that you disagree with
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misinformation. X can be a wild place and people can, and often do, say whatever they want. I think it is important if untrue claims are being made about researchers or clinicians that all members of the community take the time to call them out. As someone who has just spent
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the last few days at a conference being quietly shadowed by 4 security guards because the Dutch police, independent of the conference, decided that there were credible threats of harm against me I can say that this hits home for me. I was also devastated to learn that similar
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every single aspect of how this conference was carried out and that is your right to do so, but spreading misinformation, lies and false rumors about people places them at risk. We should be able have discourse without it. Similarly, I do also have to call out some of my
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colleagues here, including Drs Buonsenso and Joffe who have recently been making comments that I find quite jarring and shocking to read. I know these two to be passionate and caring people with their patients, which is precisely why this online behavior is disappointing to
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me. It is my opinion that they have demonstrated poor judgement online and I sincerely hope that they turn this behavior around and start to comport themselves with the intelligence, care and compassion that I know them to possess.

I will end here with a final thought:
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Whether you believe me or not, I truly believe that we are getting close to having actionable treatments and biomarkers for #LongCOVID, #MECFS, chronic tick- and vector-borne illness and many related diagnoses. Closer than ever before. But we need to work together on this. We
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need to be bold enough and humble enough to work with people we disagree with, even vehemently, to get to the truth. We have an opportunity, collectively, to be part of a solution to problems that have caused untold and horrific suffering for millions of people for decades.
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Let's meet this moment and change the face of medicine. Together.



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(p.s. I'm probably going to step away from social media now and touch grass)
 


This feels like a very tense moment online for many people who are part of the clinical, scientific and patient communities in #LongCOVID, #MECFS and other related complex chronic illnesses. People are angry and with very good reason: we have a number of complex chronic…..

Long thread by Putrino where he claims he needed security protection in the Netherlands due to threats against him.

Honestly don’t know what this is all about but I’m sure someone here does.

Not sure but I'd hazard a guess that it's about that group of long covid sufferers that don't want to be associated with MECFS so take it out on researchers like Putrino, Davenport, Wust etc who see connections with/see merit in studying pre-covid MECFS to find answers for those living with long covid.

EDIT: spelling (thank you @Chandelier)
 
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I have been and remain critical of Putrinos approach to science but I think he's on the money with his criticisms here.

The people who have become obsessed with the idea long covid is viral persistence and everyone who is associating it with MECFS is damning them to failed research and is a grifter/scammer have posted really concerning rhetoric on that subject for a while now. They have a really intense hatred for pwME and ME researchers.

And then there's the people who insist on researchers masking all the time to the extend of harrasment and threats. As someone who still masks even around visitors to my house, I find their singular focus on this issue and lack of perspective frustrating. We're never going back to 2020 levels of masking. Campaign for cleaner air, better information from governments, more public acceptance of those who do mask. Campaign for masks in medical settings etc. Don't harrass the people trying to find treatments. It's insane.

That said this conference cost too much to watch online. But that doesn't justify any of this.

And researchers threatening to leave the field and abandon us all to our fates over this need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Collective punishment of the vunerable is despicable.
 
Not sure but I'd hazard a guess that it's about that group of long covid sufferers that don't want to be associated with MECFS so take it out on researchers like Putrino, Davenport, Wust etc who see connections with/see merit in studying pre-covid MECFS to find answers for those living with long covid.
If so, then that is just one of the many disturbing consequences of ME/CFS having been so stigmatised and misrepresented and its sufferers so smeared and abused by the medical profession for so long.

I understand why some LC patients are so concerned, and even openly hostile, to being associated with a disease that is so badly regarded and treated. I get it. But I think they are also making a mistake, especially in their tactics. It will not solve anything. If anything it is only going to make the situation worse for all of us.
 
David Putrino said:
Similarly, I do also have to call out some of my colleagues here, including Drs Buonsenso and Joffe who have recently been making comments that I find quite jarring and shocking to read.

I can't see Twitter, so thanks to Chandelier for copying the thread. I had seen earlier today in the BSky Long Covid list some posts from David Joffe [eg #1, #2, #3]

Now I know why everyone left Twitter...

What an awful place to try and shared science and help people...

(Agree there!)

The ground seemed to really shift towards harassing the science and medical people in the LC space around 9 months ago.The meeting in Amsterdam and launch of the ISLC & PAIS has lit a real fuse... That's the bit I cannot fathom

I really ought to have behaved better, but the toxicity was simply overwhelming....There's something deeply concerning about this specific group of accounts.The animosity towards those publishing and calling for research and treatments is disturbing to day the least
 
Anyway, back to focusing on the science, I'm hoping to be able to see some of the lecture videos this week.

  • Immune correlates of Long COVID
  • Immune dysregulation in Long COVID
  • Decoding Pain in Long COVID: Sensory Neurons as Targets of Pathogenic IgG
  • Meta genome-wide association study of ME/CFS highlights 12 risk loci
  • Association Between HHV-6 Reactivation Signatures and Monocyte Dysregulation in Long COVID
  • Study Protocol of a cohort study evaluating Mitochondrial Oxygenation (MONITOR-PEM) in Long COVID patients
  • Skeletal muscle alterations and post-exertional malaise in Long COVID and ME/CFS
  • Slowed Muscle Oxygenation Dynamics During Submaximal Handgrip Exercise in Patients with Post-COVID
  • Inefficient energy consumption is a hallmark of post-viral syndromes during cardiopulmonary exercise
  • Post-translational modifications in the insoluble fraction of platelet-poor plasma distinguish Pre-COVID-19 Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome, Long COVID, and Long COVID-POTS
  • Platelet-Associated Mitochondrial DNA in Platelet-Poor Plasma Discriminates Post-COVID-19 Condition from Matched Controls
  • Microvascular Function and Endothelium-leukocyte Interactions in Long COVID
  • Charting molecular landscapes in ME/CFS blood: towards mechanistic understanding
    Evidence for altered mitochondrial metabolism in circulating Hematopoietic Stem Cells and immune cells of people with Long Covid
  • Capillary Basal Membrane Thickening and Endothelial Dysfunction impair Skeletal Muscle Oxygenation in Long COVID and ME/CFS
  • Endothelial dysfunction is associated with immune dysfunction in long COVID
  • Impaired peripheral oxygen delivery during submaximal exercise in adults with long COVID
  • Immune and metabolic signatures in Pediatric Long COVID
  • Cognitive fatigue is related to reduced cerebral perfusion and sustained attention in patients with post COVID-19 condition: An fMRI study
  • Altered cerebral perfusion response to a modulated motor task in ME/CFS
  • Sex-dependent neutrophil activation patterns contribute to immune heterogeneity in ME/CFS
  • Differential regulation of neutrophil CD16 surface expression after low-dose epinephrin stimulation in ME/CFS and healthy controls
  • Altered Monocyte Transcripts and PBMC Cytokine Production in ME/CFS Compared with Healthy Controls and Long COVID
  • Modulation of monocytic phagocytosis activity in Long COVID
  • Altered Cellular Metabolism in ME/CFS and Transcriptomic Overlap with Long COVID
  • Persistent Neurovascular Dysregulation, Neuroinflammation and Cerebral Hypometabolism Following SARS-CoV-2 Infection: A Longitudinal Multimodal Imaging Study
  • Decreased cerebral blood flow in Long COVID is associated with dysautonomia
  • Deep Phenotyping Long-COVID Postural Tachycardia Syndrome
  • No structural changes to the fingernail fold capillaries in post-COVID: preliminary results.
  • Impaired autophagy and accelerated ageing phenotype in PAIS: Skeletal muscle accumulation of lipofuscin and overlap with microclots

Others not in that list include those I believe I'm already familiar with. By titles that's a decent conference listing. If only 5 of those turn out to be good/useful/promising that will have been very worthwhile and I thank Rob Wüst, David Putrino and the other organisers of this conference. The science and established politics are tough enough as everyone well knows. It is regrettable that it's been made harder still.
 
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