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Wesselys Mental Health review could also replace Mental Capacity Act

Discussion in 'Health News and Research unrelated to ME/CFS' started by Sly Saint, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Doesn't anyone else get a pang of fear that it has been announced Wessely has been appointed to the House of Lords every time this thread is bumped?
     
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  2. Suffolkres

    Suffolkres Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    You are right Lucibee.
    When the Mental Capacity Act and Deprivation of Liberty came in 2005, there was concern for people with ME having their rights to choose treatment options removed from them.
    This was an issue for some like Sophie Mirza.

    Safeguarding has also been a huge problem for children and mums in particular (FII etc), but FII does not come under DOLS and the MCA.

    I have been involved with MCA and DOLS for a vulnerable adult and it did/should have afford protection and help for that individual and the family.
    It would have if the Local authorites had understood and acted on their responsibilities, which they did not.
    That case has gone on and on since 2009 and soon will be determined in the Court of Appeal.


    FYI
    https://www.scie.org.uk/mca/dols/at-a-glance
    The Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS) at a glance

    SCIE At a glance 43

    Published: May 2015
    Last reviewed: June 2017



    This briefing summarises the Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS), an amendment to the Mental Capacity Act 2005. It also introduces Liberty Protection Safeguards (LPS), the Law Commission’s proposed replacement for DoLS.


    DoLS ensures people who cannot consent to their care arrangements in a care home or hospital are protected if those arrangements deprive them of their liberty. Arrangements are assessed to check they are necessary and in the person’s best interests. Representation and the right to challenge a deprivation are other safeguards that are part of DoLS.
     
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  3. ladycatlover

    ladycatlover Moderator Staff Member

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    I guess we're safe now until the Queen's Birthday Honours? :unsure: But yes, I know what you mean @Esther12! :eek:

    ETA Birthday Honours announced in June.
     
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  4. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    .....and the previous labour government.

    Both Labour & the Conservatives have played their part in this.

    I think going back to the 80's when Wessely was searching for his niche, he was cute enough to align himself with the incoming ideological trends.
     
  5. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I suspect political influence very much extends to "assisting" their chosen favourites to take up influential positions in politicians' chosen organisations.
     
  6. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Agree. It didn't start out as a conspiracy, just an unfortunate alignment of vested interests.

    But, as usual, it has become a conspiracy of sorts to avoid the truth and accountability after it has all gone pear shaped.

    Oh, sure, they don't all sit down and have a meeting about how it's all going, and discussing the details of the next step. More the case that they are all politically savvy enough to know how to do the dance of power, without making it too explicit.
     
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  7. Andy

    Andy Committee Member & Outreach

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    "One citizen’s riposte to the 2018 Wessely review of the Mental Health Act

    Abstract

    The Wessely review of the Mental Health Act was conducted in the context of a gradual erosion of civil liberties over the last 35 years which contravenes international human rights legislation. The final report published at the end of last year (Wessely 2018) argues for additional safeguards for mental health patients and advocates a more patient-centred culture that respects the preferences of individual patients and family members. But it leaves in place an authoritarian structure which has resulted in widespread abuse within UK Mental Health Trusts and the system’s integrity would continue to depend on the benevolence and professionalism of psychiatrists. The Wessely review fails to address long-standing problems with under-funding, which have caused serious problems in the current system and is out of step with the reasonable expectations of service users."​

    https://livedexperience0404.wordpre...2018-wessely-review-of-the-mental-health-act/

    Thought this sounded a familiar issue,

    "Lumping all people with mental health problems into a single category and then searching for correlations with social problems leads to misleading generalizations and, as an epidemiologist, Wessely should know better than to perpetuate statistical data which are likely to mislead the casual reader."​
     
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  8. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    He wouldn't have a career and a knighthood if he didn't do that.
     
  9. chrisb

    chrisb Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Come, come. His career is built on dysfunctional cognitions and maladaptive behaviour. He required no data to secure that model in the minds of those wit authority to advance that career.
     
  10. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Life-saving mental health care must not be ‘an awful experience’ for patients
    Sir Simon Wessely

    [​IMG]

    Article in Sunday Times (requires subscription)
    "For those with mental disorders, the Mental Health Act can take away your liberty and impose treatment that you don’t want."

    what about those without mental disorders?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...be-an-awful-experience-for-patients-gghqrrwcx

    eta: full thing seems to be available on FB
     
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  11. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Lord Bethell The Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Health and Social Care 11:07 am, 2nd July 2020
    My Lords, we remain committed to publishing a White Paper that will set out the Government’s response to Sir Simon Wessely’s independent review of the Mental Health Act 1983 and pave the way for reform of that Act. We will publish it as soon as possible. The Covid epidemic does nothing but incentivise us to move as quickly as possible on this.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2020-07-02b.793.2
     
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  12. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think it is going to be very likely.
    Simon Wessely back in the news;
    Landmark reform of mental health laws


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-reform-of-mental-health-laws
     
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  13. janice

    janice Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    What I can never understand is how SW keeps the ear of people in power?.....apologies for my rant.

    Especially after Jonathan Edwards, Tom Kindlon, David Tuller, Ben Hughes, Caroline Wiltshire and all those other heroes of mine, who have worked so hard with all their brilliant clear demolition of the PACE trial.

    What more could I do to help?

    I’m very aware that my skills of clear calm and helpful comments is very low.
    I don’t want to release anything that might give the SW brigade anything useful to their arguments
    It’s all too close to my bones and has been for decades.
     
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  14. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm not sure how much we can do as individuals. Perhaps those if us in the UK contact our MP and encourage them to join the parliamentary group on ME/CFS led by Carol Monaghan, and learn more of the background. Realistically most are not going to be interested unless you can persuade them there are votes in it. With the rapid rise in long Covid and people being given wrong advice to exercise by NHS clinics, there should be more interest.
     
  15. Barry

    Barry Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    It is a talent in its own right. Jeremy Clarkson's phrase is pretty apt - "bullshit baffles brains", especially when the BSer is so good at it.
     
  16. Sean

    Sean Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wessely is one of the great sophists and manipulators of history. I am not joking.
     
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  17. janice

    janice Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    This does seem worryingly true.
     
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