News about Long Covid including its relationship to ME/CFS 2020 to 2021

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  1. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    On the topic of things that could get litigious. Maybe this is not a problem at all. but it would be hard to argue that due diligence was done in not bothering to find out, at least for anyone with a modicum of integrity. There is a similar issue with blood donations and ME being banned, though the ban not being taken seriously should be particularly litigious. Does it apply to LC? Does anyone care to check? Does it matter that it is technically in effect in many countries for ME, which should apply to pwLC who do have ME? Considering that people aren't told and authorities don't take it seriously? Who's responsible when no one cares? Should the patients care? No one wants to inflict that on others, however unlikely/unknown it may be.

    It's an issue I'm dealing with right now preparing a will (no issues, just being prepared). I'm opting out for transplants, too much unknown. Sure would be nice to know. Of course brain transplants are not a thing but the growing evidence for brain damage probably has downstream consequences, especially if one significant issue has to do with poor oxygenation, which would affect any tissue.

    However doing this coercively is especially bad.

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1418634283519029249
     
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    Indeed. I suspect long-covid may become politicized in very extreme ways. I hope I'm wrong about that.
     
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    It seems to be the much larger anti-lockdown "we need to live with the virus" crowd who frequently deny that long-covid is a thing, or think that everyone is going to magically recover 100% within a few months.
     
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    Decide to look at the number of cases in Australia, after all the media coverage - no disrespect, but they made me a laugh - 200 cases a day ---50K in the UK.
     
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    We're having a 7 day lockdown over 3 community cases and guess what? It's worked.
     
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    Good to hear it's working but you wouldn't believe it i.e. based on the media coverage here.
     
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    I keep seeing UK people saying "but low deaths" therefore everything is fine, but the UK has had more deaths in the last 3 weeks than Australia has had in total throughout the entire pandemic. And the Australia has 37% of the population of the UK...

    Of course, even if just 1-2% of COVID cases become long-term ME/CFS cases, then that is a major catastrophe in the UK...
     
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    Anti-lockdown measures and anti-masks, too. The overlap is surprisingly almost perfect. And likely the same overlap of people who think chronic illness is laughable. It's "the fear is worse" crowd that doesn't seem bothered that obvious trolls agree with them at every turn.

    There's some sort of pattern here... almost like some sort of psychological projection and generalization from their personal navel-gazing experience. Almost.
     
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    More than 25 000 have been diagnosed with postcovid in Sweden. That is 2,4 cases per 1 000 people.

    Över 25 000 svenskar har fått diagnosen postcovid
    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/over-25000-personer-har-fatt-diagnosen-postcovid

    But so far only 7 out of 21 regions have special clinics for postcovid.
     
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    If what he means is that the people with Long Covid will now have the right to legal redress for civil rights violations under the Americans with Disabilities Act, that could be a big deal.
     
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    The lawyers will love that. Why would the law discriminate against those with practically identical symptoms.
     
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    Since Sweden had only very mild lockdowns/ social distancing rules I'm curious: Are there attempts in Sweden, too, blaming LC on mental health issues due to restrictions?
     
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    Yes, there are. The most common claim still seem to be that LC is a "cultural illness" caused by stress/anxiety and the so called "fearmongering by mass media and on social media", I think?
     
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    Hopefully. But everything is in the details. There is obviously the small tiny detail of not being able to differentiate with all those other chronic diseases medicine wants nothing to do with. Ultimately even policies are just a bunch of words, everything is in the implementation and historically implementation has fallen completely flat.

    Gonna put out my best sports commentary and say this is either historical or utterly forgettable, or anywhere in-between.
     
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    Long Covid has shed new light on ME (chronic fatigue syndrome), once disparagingly dismissed as 'yuppie flu' – Professor Eleanor Riley

    Opinion piece: Professor Riley gives a brief but very good summary of ME/CFS. For us, there's not much new information there but it's good to see such articles from academics.

    "It is too early to know how large this wave of apparent ME/CFS cases will be and how much suffering and despair it will leave behind; like so much else in this pandemic, only time will tell. But, for the first time, there will be a significant cohort of patients with the same, known trigger for their symptoms. This opens up a real opportunity for medical researchers to discover the molecular basis of the condition and – possibly – identify options for treatment."​

    Full article: https://www.scotsman.com/news/opini...as-yuppie-flu-professor-eleanor-riley-3323582
     
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    Professor Décary urges on Twitter Trudeau to do the same, and to include ME:

    Today the President of the United States recognized the impact of Long Covid and acknowledged the need for services. Your turn
    @JustinTrudeau
    . If you want to be even more on the forefront, expand to all post-viral illnesses and myalgic encephalomyelitis. Thank you very much.
     
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