Wesselys Mental Health review could also replace Mental Capacity Act

So this trend is also an UK issue. Very alarming indeed. Especially in light that UN human rights comission's reports say these practices violate humans' rights, and that forced treatment is viewed as torture.

Edit: There was a "researchers'" report in Germany which may lead to the government changing a law so that only professional keepers are allowed when it comes to incapacitation, which would make it impossible to be safe from forced hospitalization.
 
Allele said:
Other than making the general population accustomed to/afraid of having their agency removed by the state, I can't understand why a system would want to bear the cost and burden of sectioning people in large numbers. Is it simply the private prison model?
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To create fear? Makes it easier to rule. Who doesn't behave "conformly" - however it is defined at the time - will be removed/punished.
 
chrisb said:
I wonder whether Sir Simon will decide whether it is necessary or advisable for a psychiatrist to examine a patient before writing a report which might lead to enforced detention.
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Or not to examine - at the moment you still have to agree to being examined. If you say nothing a diagnosis cannot be made.
But who knows? Maybe some day we'll have "The witch-wood-test" reloaded: If you talk to the psychiatrist you'll be taken due to a "psychological disorder", and if you don't you'll also be taken, e.g. due to un-cooperative behavior. :D
 
Inara said:
If you talk to the psychiatrist you'll be taken due to a "psychological disorder", and if you don't you'll also be taken, e.g. due to un-cooperative behavior.
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Sly Saint said:
he didn't dare kick up a fuss about them taking his daughter as they would then say 'you see we were right he is a very angry man' and possibly lock him up as well.
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This is a rising worldwide issue everyone should be alarmed about. There are already terms for these things, like "oppositional defiance disorder" etc.
Taken in context with the "new" global policing, which includes that you can and will be arrested for nothing more than not following an officer's orders, or resisting arrest, no matter how unjust or unreasonable....well we are witnessing the rapid rise of very dangerous "state" control.

This needs to be addressed by all people, healthy or ill, as it affects all of us. Our innate agency over the sovereign territory of our bodies and minds is at risk--and this is not crazy conspiracy talk, it is happening as we speak, and is very worrying.
 
Allele said:
This needs to be addressed by all people, healthy or ill, as it affects all of us. Our innate agency over the sovereign territory of our bodies and minds is at risk--and this is not crazy conspiracy talk, it is happening as we speak, and is very worrying.
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I hope more people would have the courage to understand that and call for action and not dismiss the on-goings as "conspiracy theory" or "it won't affect me, so why should I care", and then go on as always.
 
This shall lead to me asking whether there is an interest in court processes regarding human rights etc. and ME. E.g. this could be a crowdfunding project, or an ME organization could participate etc.
I was pointed to the lawyer who defended Mollath (see here: https://www.strate.net/de/dokumentation/index.html); he's, among others, a human rights lawyer.

The verdict of the district court Nuremberg-Fuerth of 8 August 2006 was a wrong judgment. The arrangement of the accommodation by the district court Nürnberg-Fürth was and is a shame of the judiciary in Germany, not only in Bavaria. However, this does not only apply only to criminal law, but also to forensic psychiatry, which, with an omnipotent world view, registers every impulse of otherness as "conspicuousness" and is ready to give any whisper of clinical pictures to the ears of prejudiced judges. "Psychiatry - the dark place of law" - that is the apt title of a comment by Heribert Prantl. [...]
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I have already contacted another well-known lawyer, but he doesn't have the ressources.

As someone else said: It's not only about ME - it's about us all - but ME shows it all.
 
Sly Saint said:
Reminds me of what Karina Hansens dad said (in Unrest) that he didn't dare kick up a fuss about them taking his daughter as they would then say 'you see we were right he is a very angry man' and possibly lock him up as well. It's a no win situation and very wrong.
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Allele said:
There are already terms for these things, like "oppositional defiance disorder" etc
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So we already have the witch-wood-test...

Maybe, indeed, our time will go into history as "modern middle ages" and they will speak about psychiatry like about the Inquisition.

:(
 
Inara said:
Maybe, indeed, our time will go into history as "modern middle ages" and they will speak about psychiatry like about the Inquisition.
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We had a brief experiment with trying to create an age of reason. It failed. Right now things appear to be going backwards, though we have entirely new myths, based not on gods but on ideologies. Psychogenic psychiatry, even when disguised by bipsers, is a throwback to older times. One of those is the Inquistion, as typified by the Hammer of Witches.

There is a path through BPS that is scientific, but while allusions are made to this they rarely go there.
 
Arnie Pye said:
It's always a mistake for me to try and pretend I know what I'm talking about. ;)
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Demarcation dispute. That is my job. :p

Sly Saint said:
Reminds me of what Karina Hansens dad said (in Unrest) that he didn't dare kick up a fuss about them taking his daughter as they would then say 'you see we were right he is a very angry man' and possibly lock him up as well. It's a no win situation and very wrong.
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alex3619 said:
We had a brief experiment with trying to create an age of reason. It failed. Right now things appear to be going backwards, though we have entirely new myths, based not on gods but on ideologies. Psychogenic psychiatry, even when disguised by bipsers, is a throwback to older times. One of those is the Inquistion, as typified by the Hammer of Witches.

There is a path through BPS that is scientific, but while allusions are made to this they rarely go there.
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Always seemed to me that psychiatry is built upon the assumption that the psychiatrist has a grand sweeping insight into and understanding of the entire human experience and condition, into reality, that no other profession or group of humans has.

How else could they make judgements about people's sanity (i.e their connection to reality)?

Obviously the assumption is batshit insane. Not that it gives them any pause for thought.

Any wonder the profession attracts megalomaniacs by the carload?
 
Having recently been rereading the Ean Proctor case, one feature that stands out is the need for a strict formal proceduralrequirement as to examination and interview by all certifying practitioners. This should involve certification of alternative diagnoses considered and recording of representations regarding other medical opinion.

Breach of any formality should give rise to a claim for compensation without necessity of showing negligence.
 
"Improving Mental Health Outcomes: Integrating, Coordinating and Transforming Services

Wed Apr 25 2018 at 08:30 am to 04:15 pm
The Bridgewater Hall, Lower Mosley Street, Manchester, United Kingdom

With an extra £1.3bn to be invested annually in mental health services by 2021 England is seeing the biggest expansion of mental healthcare in Europe. Alongside the welcome funding an independent review of mental health provision has been launched. Led by Professor Sir Simon Wessely the review will explore how the NHS and other public services deal with people suffering mental health problems with a view to updating the law."

"A report from the Care Quality Commission has highlighted that available inpatient psychiatric beds have dropped by four per cent since 2014. The commission has warned that thousands of mental health patients who should be rehabilitated are being kept in secure wards for years on end. The report found that high-risk patients, such as those with eating disorders, were suffering severe delays in receiving care. It was also revealed that 6,000 mental health patients had to be sent out of their local area to receive care, a shocking 40 per cent rise in two years."

https://allevents.in/manchester/imp...g-and-transforming-services/1000039318250947#

the bolding is mine; showing that this review is not just looking at the issue of detention under the MHA but seems to be expanding its remit. Again I wish they would look at where/how the money is currently being spent/misspent .........IAPT for example(?)
 
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