George Monbiot on ME/CFS, PACE, BPS and Long Covid

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  1. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Odd. Not sure where this is published.
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/oct/27/all-wound-up-about-changing-the-clocks
    Absolute nonsense, of course.
     
  3. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    What on earth is he on about?

    Edit: I googled it. Apparently it's about fatigue in depression, not ME/CFS
    Allostatic Self-efficacy: A Metacognitive Theory of Dyshomeostasis-Induced Fatigue and Depression
     
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  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Not earth, brain.
    If faut cultiver notre cerveau.
    Et aussi manger les biscuits de dr Pangloss.
     
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  5. EndME

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    So pacing...
    Of course that is in contradiction with his last sentence, as pacing is not curative, otherwise people wouldn't have ME/CFS for years...
     
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  6. rvallee

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    Followed by not scientific terms that are really just a bunch of woowoo and are pretty much the exact same made-up explanations behind the CBT/GET paradigm, which he presents here with only slight variations on labels, which is what the psychosomatic paradigm is all about: obfuscation through bullshit.

    Speaking of scientific terms: post. Latin for after. Well OK not scientific but commonly used to mean after in science.
    And here is basically the entire problem. That we never know. And only find out later. But, by contrast, I guess he knows better. It's "science" after all. Well, it's schmience, the latin term for pseudoscience*, but whatever.

    * As long as you don't check ;)
     
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  7. EndME

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    I’d personally like to make clear that I do not defend the use of “allostatic self-efficacy” practices. By contrast I use the ultra homotopic mind-body palace network-respiking-stabilising™ approach. In scientific terms we manage to reorganise ourselves, including a hyper-specialised focus on brain and nervous system network reorganisation, within 12 dimensions using advanced techniques from quantum neuroscience to help the brain overcome regional spiking problems which automatically induce a higher capacity load due to advanced optimisation techniques occurring in the right brain regions as we additionally enhance important feedback loops with our nervous system in a positive way as well as reduce inflammation globally and locally in wanted regions.
     
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    Sounds super. Do you have an app for that?
     
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  9. Amw66

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    https://twitter.com/user/status/1850843248966688898



    The recent history of ME/CFS treatment has to be seen to be believed. Children forcibly taken from parents, then subjected to terror "treatments", women dismissed as "hysterical", then sectioned. And some of this is still happening .... Watch and wonder.
     
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  10. Jonathan Edwards

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    It is interesting to see different psychiatrists give completely different explanations of ME/CFS with great confidence as if their explanation was self-evident to all their colleagues (who turn out to think something else).

    It needs to be pointed out to them somehow that we don't just make up stories about people like this any more in other sorts of medicine. We do our best to discover the truth and if we aren't there yet we admit it.
     
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    I’ve developed a woo technique, whenever I see this kind of pseudo psych thing, I just look away and say “Decode ME, Decode ME, Decode ME” it makes me feel better, maybe we should do a trial?
     
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  12. Amw66

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    Portable circle required ?
     
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  13. MrMagoo

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    It’s lo-fi like the Wizard of Oz, just click your heels!
     
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    Fahrvergnügen works better for me. You should have it with mustard and a Pilsner.
     
  15. tornandfrayed

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    I've sent this with some small changes (thanks @Sean) to Guardian letters, saying I'm not submitting it for publication, just to raise some issues.

     
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